Bill Struth
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No it isn't. Since 'Croke Park 1' the grading system of 1-5 has been replaced with a grading system as follows:Do people who get a grade of 2 get the same (full) increment as someone who gets a 3 or a 4 (please tell me this is not true)???
Yes, 99% get 3 and above in the only data available (on 23,000 civil servants) – see my post #119 and http://debates.oireachtas.ie/dail/2012/06/26/00132.asp 8% got a 5, 56% got a 4, 35% got a 3, 0.9% got a 2 and 0.1% got a 1. So 64% got 4 or better, 99% got a 3 or better and 99.9% got a 2 or better.How do you decide whether an individual manager has properly overseen the process? How do you decide what is an acceptable range of outcomes – either on an organisation-wide basis or on a smaller team basis? A manager of 20 people could have 20 strong performers deserving of 4s – does he have to downgrade some so that he appears to have managed well in producing a wide range of grades?
If it's since Croke Park 1 (2010?), why does the Dail question/answer refer to grades 1-5 for the 2011 year?No it isn't. Since 'Croke Park 1' the grading system of 1-5 has been replaced with a grading system as follows:
No it isn't. Since 'Croke Park 1' the grading system of 1-5 has been replaced with a grading system as follows:
Exceptional Performance
High Standard
Fully Achieved Expectations
Needs to Improve
Unsatisfactory
A grade of at least 'fully achieved expectations' is required to receive an increment.
Hi Bill,
If 2 staff members are on the same level and one gets a 3 and the other gets a 5 do they get the same increment, or does the person who gets a 5 get a higher amount?
Firefly.
Both employees move up one point on their pay scale, regardless of whether they got a 3 or a 5.Hi Bill,
If 2 staff members are on the same level and one gets a 3 and the other gets a 5 do they get the same increment, or does the person who gets a 5 get a higher amount?
Firefly.
Sorry, the change was mooted in CP1, but was implemented only this year.If it's since Croke Park 1 (2010?), why does the Dail question/answer refer to grades 1-5 for the 2011 year?
Both employees move up one point on their pay scale, regardless of whether they got a 3 or a 5.
Up to the 1990's I worked in the Public Service. I was as junior a clerk as you could find. Then along came confined internal competitions to become the most junior of the management grade (Admin. Officer or perhaps it was Acting Admin. Officer). Two clerical officers (both with wide range experience and plenty of cop on etc) were not allowed to go further in the competition i.e they were not allowed to present their cv just for the interview. Both were informed by Line Maagers that they were not of the standard required (a load of rubbish, incidentally).
The two "failures" resigned shortly after the competition. One is now lecturing in Kings Inns and the other received a Phd after returning to college.
So much for other peoples' opinions and the subsequent interviews.
(5) Exceptional Performance
(4) High Standard
(3) Fully Achieved Expectations
(2) Needs to Improve
(1) Unsatisfactory
Wow, that’s some really great reform.
I presume there was extensive re-training to explain the new system to staff.
Up to the 1990's I worked in the Public Service. I was as junior a clerk as you could find. Then along came confined internal competitions to become the most junior of the management grade (Admin. Officer or perhaps it was Acting Admin. Officer). Two clerical officers (both with wide range experience and plenty of cop on etc) were not allowed to go further in the competition i.e they were not allowed to present their cv just for the interview. Both were informed by Line Maagers that they were not of the standard required (a load of rubbish, incidentally).
The two "failures" resigned shortly after the competition. One is now lecturing in Kings Inns and the other received a Phd after returning to college.
So much for other peoples' opinions and the subsequent interviews.
Gianni, of course there were clearly defined minimum requirements, but that had nothing to do with anything in the minds of the assessors. Believe me the two never fell short of anything (in fact were excellent performers). I reckon they were so talented that they had to be stopped in their tracks by people who did not want to be surpassed by talent.
Therefore, any assessing was done (like the Bing Crosby song says) "Straight down the Middle."
To be frank, if they met the minimum requirements and didn't submit CV's just because of the opinion of their line managers..more fool them.
Nice post Purple, but with over 5000 posts here you probably would make yourself redundant (especially if you were working for me)[dont know how to insert a winking smilie here]. Nice to see you training your colleagues though (another mistake, when will you be cast aside as a result?).
According to Dan O'Brien in today's Irish Times:
"...public sector workers, despite having suffered net income reductions, have, on average, retained a large part of the gains from bubble-era pay increases.
The average gross pay packet in the public sector* was €63,305 last year, down by €1,300 from the peak registered in 2009. But it remains well up on the €58,170 paid in 2007 just as the bubble burst"
So even though cuts have been made, wages are still higher, on average, than they were at the height of the boom..
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