I'm wondering about which would be the best tactic - do I try and raise it with no advance notice from the floor of the AGM?
Or do I submit a resolution to the board beforehand, in the hope that they will include it on the Agenda.
On the other hand, I'm wondering if the board will just go with tradition and block the resolution, in the absence of any clear guidelines about such resolutions.
On that basis, I presume that it is equally disrespectful to ask people to stand for the national anthem at public events, if they do not wish to do so?
I might well do that - the disadvantage is that it allows them to prepare their response or to say "we already told you NO on that one".Well you can do both? Submit the resolution and if that doesn't work bring it up at the AGM.
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We've had Muslim children at both my kids communions and my son's Godfather is Muslim, even the Catholic church did not have a problem with that.
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Jim (Switzerland)
There is no enforcement of these rules.That can't be true. Godparents must be Catholic, as their purpose is to bring the child up in the Catholic faith if something happens to the parents. A godparent must be baptised, and Catholic, and over 16.
I don't see what the national anthem has to do with the discussion in hand?
That can't be true. Godparents must be Catholic, as their purpose is to bring the child up in the Catholic faith if something happens to the parents. A godparent must be baptised, and Catholic, and over 16.
So what, I have to wait outside the door and peep in to see if they have finished?Why not stay outside of the meeting until the prayer is over? In my opinion, you appear to be just complaining for the sake of complaining.
Well, it does offend me. It offends me that the movement is bringing religion into a community organisation. There may be a history of a Christian ethos, but that is in the past. There is nothing in the current rules or articles about a Christian ethos. There is a principle of non-discrimination based on religion that is being ignored.The Credit Union movement in Ireland is based on Christian ethos. The credit union prayer, it's called an 'invocation', is based on the writings of St. Francis, who, I think, pre-dates the Reformation and was a generally good egg! It does no harm, it could be multi-faith if you think 'Allah' instead of 'Lord'. If we had a Moslem elected to the Board I think we would establish first whether or not the invocation offends him/her. The invocation is NOT read out at AGM. I am not particularly religious but think we have far more pressing problems in the credit union movememt that the invocation.
I cannot find any reference to the prayer/invocation in the Standard Rules. I cannot see how this would offend anyone except atheists who may remain silent during the saying of the invocation.
...What is the justification for including the prayer?
But why not Thor or Isis or Shiva or the Flying Spaghetti Monster or Bertrand Russell's celestial teapot or ...We would all do well to actually read the CU Invocation. It invokes the Lord to assist the Board
What Lord is this you refer to?We would all do well to actually read the CU Invocation. It invokes the Lord to assist the Board to deal with people in a christian and compassionate manner. In todays climate I would say we need plenty of this.
We would all do well to actually read the CU Invocation. It invokes the Lord to assist the Board to deal with people in a christian and compassionate manner. In todays climate I would say we need plenty of this.
My point being that however reasonable your religion seems to you,.. it will seem totally silly to those not inculcated in it.
This guy for one?Really, Joe? I don't think so. Does anyone really count Buddhism (for example) as 'totally silly'?
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