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Personally, I'd prefer that we rely on good governance and regulation. But if anyone wants to pray for CUs, they are of course welcome to do so on their own time. It is just a bit of a silly tradition that meetings have to start out with a prayer.In view of all that has happened in our financial institutions I think more prayer is needed for wisdom and guidance!
And what harm can a little prayer do!
It can exclude people of non-Christian religions and people of no religion. If I suggested that we have a Muslim chant and a rain-dance before the CU meeting, I would be laughed out of the room. But because of this very Irish tradition, we have a Christian prayer.as an ex board member i always felt strange reciting it before a meeting but would i want it abolished, dont know, but as 'steph1' says what harm can a prayer do.
The Irish solution to the Irish problem is that you bow your head and pretend to play along.Does this mean you do have to be Catholic to be on the board of a credit union? If not, you do have to leave the room?
Bizarre is the word.Personnally, it would not bother me, would find it bizare though as it is not a religious institution but from the point of view of an atheist or other religion???
It can exclude people of non-Christian religions and people of no religion. If I suggested that we have a Muslim chant and a rain-dance before the CU meeting, I would be laughed out of the room. But because of this very Irish tradition, we have a Christian prayer.
a communal prayer at work? A quick prayer at the start cu meeting?
Unless it the company or organisation is publicly related to whatever religion (like i don't know caritas - a catholic organisation) i think both things are out of place, regardless of circumstances.
For any tragic accidents or death (like death of a colleague) i think the "minute of silence" is much more appropriate.
And at least it doesn't force any beliefs on anyone.
...., but they still see the Christian life style as "the way we do things around here". So they will:
It is tradition, it's what they grew up with and how they expect it will go on.
- Have their childern baptized
- Send their childern to religious classes when the time comes
- Send their childern for communion, confirmation and so on
- Expect that people show respect to their religious icons and so on
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Jim.
Not everyone will get their children baptised,.. I am always surprised at the number of parents who hate the RC church, yet they get their children baptised.
Again for the religious classes, unless they deal with all religions, and don't teach the religion as if it's true.
The natural progression of catholic ceremonies is baptism, communion, confirmation, .. and then defection.
Expecting people to show respect to your religious beliefs is my major sticking point. Do you respect the right of Muslim men to have a belief that you are an infidel and that their God is commanding them to kill you? What about respecting the right of others to teach those beliefs to children?
Clearly many religious beliefs are very dangerous, and they promote exclusion... so they are not worthy of respect,.. instead religious beliefs should attract pity or derision, not respect.
It doesn't take any skill to believe in a fairytale... so faith is valueless, even if someone dies for it,.. they could have died for something worthwhile, .. not the continuance of fairytales.
I thnk the prayer is inappropriate.
The natural progression of catholic ceremonies is baptism, communion, confirmation, .. and then defection.
Do you respect the right of Muslim men to have a belief that you are an infidel and that their God is commanding them to kill you?
My point is that it is absolutely silly to have a blanket respect for beliefs just because they are religious.
Respecting beliefs allows them to continue, and I feel strongly that the world would be a better place without religion.
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