Coronavirus
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The first half of this Coronavirus comparison video is interesting, if busy, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dDD2tHWWnU
I hadn't remembered that Swine Flu had affected so many.
I hadn't remembered that Swine Flu had affected so many.
Now that white people are dying from it the world will have to take notice. When the first few Americans die from it they will have to really take it seriously.
DirectDevil
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As far as the Corona Virus goes as at now it is Rumsfeld type thinking time again ;
1. Known knowns,
2. Known unknowns,
3. Unknowns unknowns &
4. Unknown knowns.
It will take it's natural course no matter what.
1. Known knowns,
2. Known unknowns,
3. Unknowns unknowns &
4. Unknown knowns.
It will take it's natural course no matter what.
That is a good way of thinking about it.
But in terms of natural course, I think a lot of the current measures are about slowing down the spread so that all the cases don't hit at the same time.
There's a major risk that the number of cases with complications will exceed the available medical capacity to treat with ventilators\ICU etc.
IF we get the same number of cases but over months rather than weeks, it could spread the load on the health services.
And buy time for learning how best to treat it \ figure out what anti-virals work best \ produce more anti-virals.
We won't have time for a properly tested vaccine though.
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The main containment problem with the Coronavirus is that symptoms are not immediately evident.
The incubation period varies greatly - 2-14 days, with outliers of 27 days.
A person who self-isolates or contacts their GP might have already and unknowingly spread the infection.
The incubation period varies greatly - 2-14 days, with outliers of 27 days.
A person who self-isolates or contacts their GP might have already and unknowingly spread the infection.
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Yes, that's why it's going global in a way SARs did not.
The further problem with 'self isolation' is how can you really self-isolate if you live with anyone else, especially if there's only a single bathroom...
My understanding is that SARS was far more contagious but just not a robust virus so just died off after a while.
No deaths have been reported in China for those under 9 years of age but the mortality rate for those from 70 to 79 years old is 8% and for those 80 years and older the death rate is 14.8%. Most of those under 70 who have died have had pre-existing severe illnesses such as heart disease and cancer.
No deaths were reported among mild and severe cases. The fatality rate was 49% among critical cases, and elevated among those with preexisting conditions: 10.5% for people with cardiovascular disease, 7.3% for diabetes, 6.3% for chronic respiratory disease, 6% for hypertension, and 5.6% for cancer.
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No deaths have been reported in China for those under 9 years of age but the mortality rate for those from 70 to 79 years old is 8% and for those 80 years and older the death rate is 14.8%. Most of those under 70 who have died have had pre-existing severe illnesses such as heart disease and cancer.
No deaths were reported among mild and severe cases. The fatality rate was 49% among critical cases, and elevated among those with preexisting conditions: 10.5% for people with cardiovascular disease, 7.3% for diabetes, 6.3% for chronic respiratory disease, 6% for hypertension, and 5.6% for cancer.
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Still 'self isolation', to whatever degree a possibly infected person can, should be better than 'freely mingling'. Most, or many, who cohabit will have a bedroom with an en suite. Reasonable steps to slow the spread of this virus, and give the health system a chance, is perhaps the best we can do.
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Despite its name the ‘Spanish’ flu also started in China.
Apparently it started in a farm in Kansas where a chicken with avian flu gave the virus to a pig with swine flu and then passed it on to a farmer. The first recorded cases were in Haskell County with up to 500 soldiers in Fort Riley later coming down with it in 1918. Within a few months they had recovered and were sent to Europe. It was there that it mutated and became deadly. In that context we shouldn't be too worried about outbreaks in Italy but rather outbreaks in places like refugee camps and war zones where there is a concentration of sick and generally immunocompromised people for it to jump between quickly and mutate.
School in Glasnevin closed. All bridges across the Liffey closed. Southsiders will have to clean their own houses until further notice. It is hoped that the crisis will be over before the end of the month or we run the risk of having to cut our own grass. This is getting serious!
Well the good point is the will not notice the drop in wages on a serious note it a worry seeing it is in a built up area with lots of people on the move lets hope it can be contained ,seeing it was a young person they have a better chance of an early recovery,
Better still they got is sorted years ago unlike the private sector workers ,I wonder will it help open the eyes in the private sector on how the social security system is letting down the private sector workers and employers when something goes wrong affecting employment outside there control,I suspect not,
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