life_checker
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Can you explain what you mean here please?The starting scale of Grade VII is currently higher than my current point on the Grade V scale (by about 3k).
This was slightly disheartening as I was anticipating a roughly like-for-like jump to the same scale point.
Again I don't understand. You are going to get higher wages in the new role - €3k more - so what's the issue?Obviously, I will benefit greatly in the long-run but I worked hard for the promotion and when I approached about requesting it, it was on the basis of getting higher wages for the recent work I have accomplished.
Hello! My assumption was that if I am on point 5 on the scale in Grade V for example then I would be on point 5 on the scale in Grade VII for example. Although I don't have much knowledge of the scale system.Can you explain what you mean here please?
Again I don't understand. You are going to get higher wages in the new role - €3k more - so what's the issue?
I don't have the relevant Circular to hand but for my internal promotions the rule is that you start on the first point of the higher salary or a point immediately above your position on pre-promotion scale, whichever is higher.This was slightly disheartening as I was anticipating a roughly like-for-like jump to the same scale point.
You start the new grade at a point with a salary above your current one, but not at the same point on the different scale. Look at it this way; if you were at the final point on your scale and got a promotion, would you truly expect to go straight to the end of the higher scale??Hello! My assumption was that if I am on point 5 on the scale in Grade V for example then I would be on point 5 on the scale in Grade VII for example. Although I don't have much knowledge of the scale system.
The issue is, I requested the promotion on the basis of an immediate and noteworthy wage gain due to some of the work I had begun doing (which was way above my pay-scale, something I would have been paid much higher to do in the private sector for example). I'm proud of this work and happy with how it benefited my employer. This is why it was a bit deflating to see the immediate gain only go up by roughly 3k.
I know in the long-run I will benefit but I wanted to be sure that the scale position was possibly calculated correctly before my meeting Monday. I'm accepting of it regardless as I love working here but I want to go in knowing I'm not missing anything.
Hello! My assumption was that if I am on point 5 on the scale in Grade V for example then I would be on point 5 on the scale in Grade VII for example. Although I don't have much knowledge of the scale system.
From my experience in the public sector, the way you have been treated for pay purposes is correct. You always start a the first point on a salary scale.Hello! My assumption was that if I am on point 5 on the scale in Grade V for example then I would be on point 5 on the scale in Grade VII for example. Although I don't have much knowledge of the scale system.
Staff are moved to a point on the new scale closest to their existing salary, but above their existing salary.
Both of you can't be right.From my experience in the public sector, the way you have been treated for pay purposes is correct. You always start a the first point on a salary scale.
We can!Both of you can't be right.
You said:We can!
The exception I referred to in the second paragraph of my reply makes it consistent with that of @Protocol who expressed it much more succinctly.
You always start a the first point on a salary scale.
I’m sure you got the point but if you want to be pedantic, I’ll play.You said:
Explain?Hence, my disappointment on not having the papers returned to me.
Explain?
She's in the HSE. Starting Pay on Promotion circ 10/71 should apply.Calculations for pay on promotion in various Public/Civil area differ. They shouldn't differ, of course, but they do. Several situations govern pay on promotions within the service e.g. length of time served in the older grade, Time spent on the Max of the grade, Rate of Pay before promotion, Date of increment (if one is due) and a few other items. I used to have the instructions (which were detailed to say the least). I loaned them to a person and despite my requests were not returned to me. This might seem like Lucky Dip to the reader and I cannot say that he/she is wrong.
I bet you won't believe this:- The processes governing promotion in the Irish Civil/Public service were handed down as written in the British Post Office in Victorian times. Hence, my disappointment on not having the papers returned to me.
Ah right! I thought you were a Victorian Post Office worker there for a bit!Hi Danny, The calculating papers were mine; I gave them on loan to another and were not returned to me. That’s all!
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