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PRSAs had worse treatment than occupational pensions, sue to BIK. Fixing that anomaly brought in a new anomaly for to the Frankenstein nature of the half personal half occupational PRSA.Revenue raises concerns over rule change allowing people to sink up to €2m tax free into pension pots
‘Massive loophole’ emerged after the removal of a benefit-in-kind charge on employer pension contributionswww.irishtimes.com
The Revenue Commissioners has written to the Department of Finance raising concerns over what the Opposition has dubbed a “massive loophole” allowing people to sink up to €2 million tax free into their pension pots.
The taxation change, which was introduced in the Finance Act 2022 by then minister for finance Paschal Donohoe, removed a benefit-in-kind charge on employer contributions to a pension pot that had previously been in place.
I don't understand this. I thought an employer could contribute a very large amount to a pension fund and that the maximum was determined by funding limits?
Was there a different treatment of occupational pension funds from PRSAs?
Brendan
It's a tax dodge for company directors. Those who can't incorporate are limited to a percentage of salary up to €115,000. And to add insult to injury, if the €115,000 cap applies to you as a sole trader, you also pay an additional 3% in USC!I've always thought it unfair, that there is an annual cap on how much an individual can put into their pension, but no annual cap on how much an employer can put into a pension.
In effect its a tax dodge for the super wealthy.
Wow Ger, that's some memory!!There was a time when an employer could buy a Hancock Annuity for an employee. From memory (it's a long time ago), they were used where employer had made no pension provision for a key employee but, on leaving service, the company could buy a pension with a lum-sum for the employee.
There's still this reference in the pensions manual to it.
A Hancock annuity means an annuity purchased by the employer at the time of the employee’s retirement, the capital cost of which is normally allowed for tax relief in the year of purchase. (The type of transaction is considered in Hancock v General Reversionary TrustLimited 7 T.C.)
How would you prove that?Revenue should go after the people who are making disproportionately large contributions for people with contrived employments.
e.g. company owner on €300k a year getting the company to put €2m in, fine. Company owner’s spouse and children also getting €2m provision each, not fine.
If my DB pension is unfunded, why is a grand a month being taken out of my pay...As long as there is defined benefit pensions, where the employer takes on all the risk, they cannot limit the amount that an employer puts into a pension for their employees (subject to the maximum threshold). And as the Revenue and Dept of Finance have DB schemes (unfunded of course), they cannot limit private sector contributions while enjoying the unlimited funding nature of their own pensions.
Prove what?How would you prove that?
I assume the wife will say she's the secretary/tax admin/payroll person, in some cases that would be actually the case, though maybe she's a lady who lunches and shops every day in BT. Must be more difficult to prove children are working there though. If they are not. Not everybody is Tony O'Reilly's son.Prove what?
If it fails a smell test, Revenue will raise a tax assessment and on appeal it'll be up to the taxpayer(s) to prove that there was / is a legitimate employment. So the question you need to ask is how will they prove that...
what kind of value would the pension pot of a Sec Gen / Deputy Sec be at retirement? They get the 200k lump sum and then a pension of half of salary (I'm assuming full service)?
Pretty easily. Via avenues such as the ‘wholly and exclusively’ test. To use your example, secretaries or payroll administrators don’t get €2m employer pension contributions.How would you prove that?
A Secretary General (level 1) is on €258,825. If they have 40 years service, that's a pension of €129,412. Retiring at 65, that's a capitalisation factor of 26, which has their pension valued at €3,364,725. Add in their lump sum and that's €3,3654,725.If my DB pension is unfunded, why is a grand a month being taken out of my pay...
All messing aside though, what kind of value would the pension pot of a Sec Gen / Deputy Sec be at retirement? They get the 200k lump sum and then a pension of half of salary (I'm assuming full service)?
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