Choosing funds for Standard PRSA

[nest egg]

The latest figure I have for Prisma 5 OCF is 0.11% but, it's always going to vary depending on fund activity/management.

Gerard

www.prsa.ie

Good to know, thank you.
Other than those I've listed, are there any other charging types missing in terms of how I'm calculating the overall cost?

 

[GSheehy]

Portfolio Transaction Costs (PTCs). These are not disclosed within TERs or OCF's on UCITs KIIDs.

OCFs & PTCs are included in the unit prices of the funds, so the 'performance figures' of the fund has these built in.

Gerard

www.prsa.ie

 

[Gordon Gekko]

Portfolio Transaction Costs (PTCs). These are not disclosed within TERs or OCF's on UCITs KIIDs.

OCFs & PTCs are included in the unit prices of the funds, so the 'performance figures' of the fund has these built in.

Gerard

www.prsa.ie

Hi Gerard,

Thanks for all that information; it’s very helpful.

I think it gets to the nub of the issue.

I could be wrong, but it seems to me that elsewhere on AAM, people have painted “insured” pension products as ridiculously expensive based on misleading information. Or am I wrong?

It appears as if the disclosure documents paint the worst picture possible (e.g. high AMC plus broker taking a big commission).

But I have a PRB through one of the life companies at 0.5% and it’s invested in their own equity fund. I don’t think the total cost measured in MiFID terms would be much higher than that.

Am I wrong in that?

 

[nest egg]

Portfolio Transaction Costs (PTCs). These are not disclosed within TERs or OCF's on UCITs KIIDs.

OCFs & PTCs are included in the unit prices of the funds, so the 'performance figures' of the fund has these built in.

Gerard

www.prsa.ie

Appreciate you clarifying the situation. Those costs exist in all funds, whether actively or passively managed, I would assume. In that respect, am I as well to ignore them for the purposes of comparison, at least within a Zurich portfolio?

 

[GSheehy]

@mojoask

Yes, they exist on all active/passive funds. As they're not explicitly disclosed, but reflected in the (Zurich Life) unit prices, you could park them for the purpose of your exercise.

Gerard

www.prsa.ie

 

[GSheehy]

I could be wrong, but it seems to me that elsewhere on AAM, people have painted “insured” pension products as ridiculously expensive based on misleading information. Or am I wrong?

There's good value in some sectors of the 'insured' market for the €100 per month regular contribution plans and larger single (& some regular) contribution plans.

It appears as if the disclosure documents paint the worst picture possible (e.g. high AMC plus broker taking a big commission).

But I have a PRB through one of the life companies at 0.5% and it’s invested in their own equity fund. I don’t think the total cost measured in MiFID terms would be much higher than that.

Am I wrong in that?

For a broad, in house, equity fund the OCFs shouldn't average more than 0.1% on top of the AMC.

Gerard

www.prsa.ie

 

[Gordon Gekko]

Thanks Gerard. That’s completely at odds with what’s been contended elsewhere on the site, and it’s more in line with my own thinking. If I’m in Zurich’s International Equity fund at 0.5%, institutional trading costs behind the scenes obviously won’t be zero, but they can’t be much more than 10bps.