Childrens Hospital cost overrun and this RTE nonsense.

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I am truly gob smacked.

We now have this RTE nonsense being taken to a level that is going to flatten the organisation and many of those involved are either gone or are in a home for the bewildered.

Yet we had this Children's Hospital overrun which nobody has been held accountable and the public didn't even get excited.

Was is it about this country at times?
 
I don't care about the Children's hospital overrun. Discussing it distracts from the much more important issue of structural waste within the Health Service.
I care little about RTE other than the fact that they set themselves up as some sort of bastion of virtue because they are the State Broadcaster, as if that means they are operating on some higher moral plain, so seeing them being exposed as a self serving grubby organisation gives me some pleasure.
 
If we don't tackle things like the children's hospital overrun... it significantly impacts the state's ability to deliver needed capital projects.

I don't see it as an either or... the ratchet needs to be applied across the board.
 
odyssey06 said:
If we don't tackle things like the children's hospital overrun... it significantly impacts the state's ability to deliver needed capital projects.

I don't see it as an either or... the ratchet needs to be applied across the board.
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I'd rather deal with the HSE iceberg than move the Children's Hospital deckchairs.
 
I'm someone who deals with Public Sector tenders as part of my day job (tech in my case). Firstly, the scoping of contracts within the public Sector is usually poor, their procurement is disconnected from the business and invariably, there are too many contractors and consultants out to cover their backside/feather their employers coffers. Too many talkers, not enough decision makers

Secondly, they are moving to fixed price contracts but don't recognise that fixed price adds a risk premium to companies bidding. If the bidder is not desperate, he is going to add 20%+ to the tender to cover themselves

Thirdly, they do not really get change management and the fact that it might be fixed price, but it is fixed from a specific set of requirements and if you change those requirements, you are going to get charged. Change in an existing contract usually costs more then if it had been factored in from the start

Lastly, from a budgeting perspective, my experience is that the concept of a risk reserve to deal with change is non-existant and not understood
 
I assume it's OK to post this here, although there is a number of threads to choose from.

RTE News

Speaking on RTÉ’s This Week, Minister Donnelly said that he met with the chief executive of Royal BAM, the parent company of BAM Ireland, who gave him a commitment that the June deadline would be met.

"I met the global chief executive of Royal BAM. We had a pretty open and frank discussion; I hope it was a productive discussion.

"They are engaging with the National Paediatric Development Board so that the Government can be presented with a work programme, a timeline that both parties believe… and that Royal BAM will stand over."

It all seems like more contradictory waffle; commitments vs hopes vs beliefs vs deadline

More talk, will we see any action after 15/20 years?
 
The problem is that the Minister and the elected Government have to maintain the charade that they are in charge. The fact is that the Civil Service, the permanent government, invisible unaccountable and unsanctionable, is in charge, and they are myopic and self serving and ideologically and structurally unable to deal with the broader structural incompetence within the broader State sector.

One never gets the right answers until you start asking the right questions.
 
I saw it recently. It is bigger than any hospital building I've ever seen and medics I've talked to can't wait to work there.

I think it's awesome that Ireland is building big things that will last for a century or more.

Metro for Dublin and light rail for Cork next please.
 
It turns out that it's nowhere near the most expensive hospital or children's hospital in the world. It's 6th in terns of beds and 13th in terms of square metres. Considering that we are one of the most expensive countries in the world that's not bad at all.
The energy cost of the building will be 60-70% lower than the existing hospitals it's replacing and the capital cost of building the hospital accounts for about 5% of the lifetime cost of such a facility.

So it's a well done to the Government, the Department of Health and the HSE. The hysteria was, as usual, ill-founded.
 
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