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A recent structured product which involved very significant risk to capital presented 1,304 overlapping back-tests without a single instance of capital loss. They included this warning presumably to appease the Central Bank who appear to think that all ills can be corrected by a Warning.MiFID II as implemented in Ireland by Statutory Instrument 375 of 2017. said:Regulation 32 deals with consumer protection.
Regulation 32(1) states that an investment firm should ensure that financial instruments are designed to meet the needs of an identified target market of end clients, that the distribution strategy is compatible with the identified target market and that the firm takes reasonable steps to ensure that the financial instruments are distributed to the target market.
Regulation 32(2) requires an investment firm to understand the instruments it offers or recommends, to assess the compatibility of the financial instruments with the needs of the clients and to ensure that financial instruments are only offered or recommended when it is the client’s interest.
Regulation 32(3) requires an investment firm to ensure that all marketing information to clients or potential clients is fair, clear, and not misleading.
Regulations 32(4) to 32(10) require investment firms to provide appropriate information, guidance, and warnings on the risks involved, in such a manner that clients or potential clients are reasonably able to understand the risks involved and, consequently, to take investment decisions on an informed basis.
Who could argue with that? So why present these totally misleading figures in a marketing brochure? Is that "fair, clear and not misleading"?Warning on structured product said:Limited Usefulness of Past Performance and Back Testing
Past Performance and Back Testing are useful for information purposes only. The analysis of the past performance of any investment asset(s) or the back testing of any investment product is purely academic and has no bearing on, or provides limited benefit in, the assessment of the future performance potential of the investment asset(s) or the investment product in question. The future performance of any investment asset(s) or investment product depends solely on future events and circumstances that cannot be known in advance and that are not necessarily informed by or influenced by what has happened in the past, more recently or otherwise.
They included this warning presumably to appease the Central Bank who appear to think that all ills can be corrected by a Warning.
Derville Rowland said: "Binary options have no place in the investment plans of retail investors. They are no more investment than betting on a horse."
* this is referring to forward looking tests or simulations not back-testsESMA good practice said:18. It is good practice for distributors to ensure they are aware and understand the results of such tests* as well as the simulations of performance scenarios undertaken by the manufacturer. This implies that distributors at a minimum adopt adequate arrangements to examine critically those results and scenarios and, if needed, employ an independent third-party with the relevant expertise. It is therefore good practice for manufacturers to make the results of those tests and the scenarios available to the distributors.
StevenThe first three General Principles of the 2012 Consumer Protection Code. If this was adhered to, there wouldn't be a need to have a new one.
the Central Bank emphasised to Brian and me that RSPs are not covered by the CPC.
If I were to make a submission it would be a one-liner.Make sure that you make a submission on the consultation. I have been a lone voice on the "Information is not enough" campaign.
It is the enforcement of the rules that is the issue. There are so many "advisors" that look at potential clients and think "how much money can I get out of these". If they started by banning commissions, that would be a start.Could well be the basis of a submission.
The fact that they are covered by Mifid should not be an issue. The high standards of the CPC should apply to them as well.
In the recent fine of Bank of Ireland, Bank of Ireland excluded a cohort who had drawn down their mortgages before the CPC came into force although they had exactly the same wording as a cohort who drew down their mortgages after the CPC came into force who received redress.
The Central Bank was very annoyed 1) at the fact that they did this and 2) at the fact that they did not inform the CB that they had excluded this cohort.
Brendan
Did they say anything about the RSPs that are sold through pension funds? From what I have heard, the CB were completely stumped where there were unregulated products sold through self directed regulated products.Steven
Ah, but you're forgetting that the Central Bank emphasised to Brian and me that RSPs are not covered by the CPC.
They're covered instead by MiFID, which, by the way, happens to require inter alia that financial instruments should be designed to meet the needs of an identified target market, that all information to clients and potential clients should be fair, clear and not misleading, that potential clients should be reasonably able to understand the risks and consequently take investment decisions on an informed basis, etc..
The Central Bank obviously thinks that thousands of successful back-tests for a product, which are derived from a cooked-up index that was specially constructed after the fact meets those requirements.
Steven, the quick answer is no. Distribution rules wouldn't be my or Brian's strong suit, so we didn't go near that aspect. We focused primarily on the use of overlapping back-tests, made- up indices, decrement indices, etc. to help sell the products.Did they say anything about the RSPs that are sold through pension funds? From what I have heard, the CB were completely stumped where there were unregulated products sold through self directed regulated products.
You really think that an average, or even informed, punter is going to understand MiFID?The Central Bank should get on with doing their job of ensuring that firms regulated by them are following the existing MiFID regulations. These are the law of the land. There is no need for a further Code or Dear CEO letter, full of empty platitudes which will be ignored.
Don't know what point you are making. Anyone who is marketing financial products should know the law pertaining to that activity. It is really quite straightforward. For example where is the difficulty in understanding the requirement for all marketing material to be "fair, clear and not misleading"?You really think that an average, or even informed, punter is going to understand MiFID?
MIFID Firms | Central Bank of Ireland
Introduction, Markets In Financial Instruments Directive, investment firm, MiFID, PRISMwww.centralbank.ie
The Duke is right. Brian and I were put off initially by the CBI's references to "MiFID". We thought it was a fancy legal document, but when you look at it, the regulations are straightforward and need no "Dear CEO" letters or consultation. For example, SI375 of 2017 states (all in Regulation 32) that financial instruments should be designed to meet the needs of an identified target market of end clients. I would like to see some of the firms involved justifying why a product that either gives you money back plus interest or alternatively causes you to lose at least half your capital "meets the needs of an identified target market". The Duke has already referred to the requirement for ALL marketing material to be fair, clear and not misleading. That hardly needs extra clarification. Then there is a requirement to provide information so that clients or potential clients are reasonably able to understand the risks and consequently to take investment decisions on an informed basis. Shoving thousands of "back-tests" down their throats, showing zero failures, when the risk of falling over the precipice and losing more than half your capital is typically more than one in six, hardly qualifies as enabling potential clients to understand the risks and take decisions on an informed basis. As both the Duke and I have been saying ad nauseum, all that's required is for the CBI to enforce the regulations already there. No further consultation is required.Anyone who is marketing financial products should know the law pertaining to that activity. It is really quite straightforward.
I agree that the CB seem to have Warnings as the only club in their bag.I attended a briefing on it this morning.
My main concern was that they are focusing on Choice and Information.
I argued that if they applied that to heroin, the Central Bank would say it was ok for firms to sell heroin as long as the customer was issued with a 28 page information booklet showing the harm it could do. Because, the Central Bank argues, choice is very important.
They allow cash back because the customer has choice, although it's bad for the customer specifically and all customers generally.
They allow the BCP Bond because the customer is informed although any customer who understood the documenation would not take out the bond.
Brendan
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