Brown bin being provided "in line with government policy".

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thedaras

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Hi, not too sure if this is in the correct forum..

We got delivery of a brown bin for kitchen waste etc..The accompanying leaflet states " This bin is being introduced in accordance with Government policy"..

However some of the neighbours are giving the bin back as they feel it will be
smelly..attract vermin...flys/bluebottles etc.
Anyone know what the situation is with these brown bins?
 
"Anyone know what the situation is with these brown bins? "

In what way?

I've just put my brown bin out. Its full of garden clippings - interspersed with kitchen waste. Its in a contained space and enclosed so vermin can't get in and flies are stuck inside.

If you put it out regularly, it does not moulder/smell and it means that you don't have to go to garden waste recycling to get rid of waste and compostable material is not going to land fill.

I see that as win, win.

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Keep it clean, wrap waste food in recyclable bags to keep out flies and stop maggots, no problem. You can also recycle paper in it, and this will soak up any liquid from clippings etc.
 
Do you mean --do you have to take it / pay for it?

No you don't -- they are handy though - but so is a compost heap
 
Yes, I mean the leaflet said it was government policy..
Re paying for it..yes it has to be paid for;
140 litre collected every fortnight is charged 2.56 per lift plus 16c per kg,and an annual service charge of 22euro.
 
We pay for our black bin (refuse) but the green bin (dry recycle), brown caddybin (compost in little green bags) and redbin(glass bottles) are free. Our refuse company is a private company although there are two other private operators and the council operating in our area as well.
 
We are similar in that we pay for our black (refuse) bin and the green bin is free,however the new brown bin is as per my previous post.ie; we pay.

I wonder why some are being charged for this and others not?
We are also with a private operator.
I personally dont object to having the brown bin,but many people around here are giving them back,for various reasons,mainly the charges,but some are doing so as they think that it will attrack bluebottles/vermin etc.

I bought bags in Dunnes that are specifically for the use in the brown bin,but am wondering now how many people can afford to pay for this extra service and if its a government policy,can they refuse to have them.
There is the argument that what we no longer have the weight of this kitchen waste in our black bin so one should cancel the other,but there is also a yearly cost of 22e plus we can have a compost heap instead,also there is no way that a bin that size would be sufficient for the amount of grass that we need to dispose of,so we would still have to go to the local recycling centre.
 
A yearly cost of €22 isn't exactly going to break the bank is it?

We've had a brown bin for about two years now. There are flies in it yes, but the lid is down so they don't cause a problem. It also smells inside, but again the lid is down. Very rarely when we've done some extra gardening we'll run out of space, but then we just keep the stuff in a bag until the bin has been emptied.
We've a composter as well which is great for taking garden waste but you can't put meat in that and its better not to put grass in it. Grass takes a long time to break down and absolutely stinks on the way!
 
Brown bins will be mandatory for everybody in the next couple of
years.At present your collectors waste collection permit probably
obliges him to roll out the brown bin by a certain date.Your neighbours
are not achieving anything by giving it back...they will if not already
have to take the bin.
All restaurants etc now have to have the service...for domestic users
its on the way and is being introduced gradually.
 
horusd said:
Keep it clean, wrap waste food in recyclable bags......
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The only bags that are suitable for use in brown bins are compostable bags which comply with EN13432.

"Bio-degradable" or "Recyclable" bags should not be used.
 
thedaras said:
There is the argument that what we no longer have the weight of this kitchen waste in our black bin so one should cancel the other,.
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Does your council not offer differing bin sizes? We have downsized from a 240L to a 140L saving us €80 a year.

There is currently no extra cost for our green bin but the brown ones haven't been rolled out yet. It's looking like the council will be outsourcing bin collections soon anyway so we currently have no idea if that will change once a private operator takes over.
 
The "government policy" issue is a national policy of reducing the amount of biodegradable waste going to landfill as per European targets.

The solution is to segregate via brown bins.

No comments on charging, smells or anything else, just that's where it comes from.
 
thedaras said:
I personally dont object to having the brown bin,but many people around here are giving them back,for various reasons,mainly the charges
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You are charged for a black bin which in our area is collected every two weeks. The brown bin is also charged for, and is collected every other week. Most of the items you put into the black bin should be put into the brown bin. There really should be no need for anything with exception to one or two things to be put into the black bin. There is no additional costs involved and what was once going to landfill is now being composted and being re used.


thedaras said:
but some are doing so as they think that it will attrack bluebottles/vermin etc
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We've had no issues at all with the brown bin. We use compostable bags and we dont find the bin smelling any more than the black bin would. The bin has a lid so it wont attract any vermin, and flies are kept within the bin itself, but this happens with all bins that contain food waste, but I have noticed that they are not as much a problem when using the compostable bags. We also find that we never put the black bin out now and the brown bin is going once a month as we have a fixed charge per lift, and not per weight.
 
We have a 120 litreblack waste bin which we pay for and also a 240 litre blue recycling & a 120 litre brown composting bin which are included free of charge. The waste contractor also provides free compost as part of the service. We have no problem with vermin or smells.
 
thedaras said:
However some of the neighbours are giving the bin back as they feel it will be
smelly..attract vermin...flys/bluebottles etc.
Anyone know what the situation is with these brown bins?
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I assume that your neighbours currently put food waste in the black bin.

Why do they think that the brown bin be any different with respect to smell / flies and vermin ?
 
thedaras said:
Hi, not too sure if this is in the correct forum..

We got delivery of a brown bin for kitchen waste etc..The accompanying leaflet states " This bin is being introduced in accordance with Government policy"..
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We got the same this week - from Panda in Dun Laoghaire Rathdown area. I really think Panda are pulling a bit of a fast one. This is an extra service at an extra charge, and they are using the 'Govt policy' like to upsell the service to you.
 

There were complaints around ourway too. As far as I know, whether you put the bin out or not you will receive an annual bill. They wont take the bins back.
 
Complainer said:
We got the same this week - from Panda in Dun Laoghaire Rathdown area. I really think Panda are pulling a bit of a fast one. This is an extra service at an extra charge, and they are using the 'Govt policy' like to upsell the service to you.
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Its eu policy to reduce landfill hence these bins.

I don't recall if its Brazil or Uruguay that is the recipient
 
tell the provider that you will only accept the bin if its pay by use...otherwise take your business elsewhere to somebody who is only charging pay by use.

then dont use it if you dont want the issues with odours & vermin


to the poster saying that because there are lids there will be no vermin -this is just not true. Mice can get into bins if there is a very small space to do so (like a slightly bent/warped lid) - I've seen them in bins that have been there for a while. If you empty your bin weekly/ fortnightly chances are you wont have a vermin problem though...just a smell
 
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