Blasphemy; A victimless crime? Women; know your place!

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  1. Purple

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    We are to have a referendum to remove the crime of Blasphemy from the constitution.
    Is it a good idea?
    We'll also be asked to remove the reference to a woman's special place in the home. While it is obvious that such an archaic and sexist reference should go I'll be voting to keep it but only to annoy my sister.
     
  2. odyssey06

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    I'm nervous about what will replace it in law ... I think I'd rather have something like this as an unenforceable anachronism in the constitution that let the current snowflake government put something far worse into legislation.
     
  3. Purple

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    Just get rid of it. It doesn't have to be replaced with anything.
    I agree that the perpetually ready to be offended are a danger to free speech.
     
  4. Sunny

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    I don't know enough about it but is it that simple? Was this constitutional recognition of the work done in the house not used in separation and divorce cases with regard to share of assets and support? Take out the reference to Woman maybe but can the whole thing be simply removed? Maybe it can. I haven't read about it to be honest.
     
  5. dub_nerd

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    I'll be voting to keep it too. It says the State shall "endeavour to ensure that mothers shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the home". For the last several decades the State has sought to increase the workforce by incentivising women to work. One result has been competition for accommodation such that private housing suitable for families now generally requires two incomes to pay for it. Having both parents working is no longer a matter of choice but of economic necessity -- the opposite of the constitutional pledge. I realise modern feminists are programmed to take umbrage at anything that distinguishes between the genders, even things which are matters of basic biology, so I don't much care if the wording gets changed to be more gender neutral (though I'd prefer it didn't). But I'm not letting the government off the hook for torpedoing family life.
     
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  6. Purple

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    You don't need to be able to lactate to cook, clean and look after kids. While it may be desirable for one parent to make looking after kids their primary responsibility there's absolutely no reason why it should be the mother and it certainly shouldn't be the case that the role is thrust upon the mother in our constitution. Women may (or may not) be programmed through evolution to be more likely to want to take on that role but it should be a decision made between the parents and nobody else.
     
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    Lactation (and other feminine faculties) have their purposes. But as I said, I don't care if the wording in the constitution is made more gender neutral. Lots of Irish dads need a good kick up the whatnot to participate more in child rearing. My main concern is that babies shouldn't have to get shipped off to the kiddie prisons we euphemistically call "child care" from age zero as a matter of necessity.
     
  8. Purple

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    Fair point dub_nerd
     
  9. Leper

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    I wouldn't be saying above a whisper too much on the subject. Nerd is on a hiding to nothing there. I ain't sayin' he is wrong though.
     
  10. dub_nerd

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    I do like a bit o' controversy :p
     
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  11. cremeegg

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    This is true and very important.

    Now if someone could make this valid argument with out needlessly antagonising people like this:

    or this:

    or even this:

     
  12. Purple

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    You're not alone around here on that!
     
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    I've edited the title to reflect the discussion.
     
  14. Sunny

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    And I have forwarded this thread on to '#Me Too' Headquarters......
     
  15. michaelm

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    If they want to be PC about it they would change 'woman' to 'parent' or 'carer'. It's all BS anyway as they pay it no heed. Tax individualisation helps ensure that most couples, particularly young couples, must both work to support their family. If it is removed it might make it easier for a future government to curtail the Homemaker's Scheme in order to reduct the State's pension liabilities. I suppose that can be good or bad depending on your outlook.

    I feel sorry for families who are double-income by necessity, running to stand still. Crunching our number and becoming single-income when our 2nd was born has been great, the boost in quality of life for all concerned has been huge.
     
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  16. Betsy Og

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    On the womans place thing, why make it gender neutral?, why not just get rid? It's Nanny state type stuff. I laugh at how most people who whinge about the Nanny State are the biggest beneficiaries in terms of social welfare and housing.

    Re 2 income housing - its the reality if you want to live in Dublin, Cork, Galway. However there is no absolute decree that you must live in those 3. Or more particularly if you need social housing, should you insist on it being in the centre of Dublin? Many parts of the country have surplus housing, you can choose to avail of it if you want or you can choose to bide your time in Dublin - & your social welfare will go a lot further in the country. The country is almost at full employment, there's a good chance you could go for more liveable options if you wanted - so a lot of people need to move past the 'victimhood' they have assumed.

    So while the State must do more in building social housing (all other measures are deckchairs on the Titanic), can we achieve utopian levels of everyone accommodated in social housing within Dublin City and private buyers in Dublin able to survive on 1 income?, I genuinely doubt it. For Dublin's own sake it needs other cities to be developed.

    Re blasphemy - I presume we have legislation to deal with racism, hate speech, incitement to hatred - that type of thing. If so then no need of blasphemy. Also, do we really need to constitution to deal with everything?, all this stuff should be in legislation if it is needed at all. Only the most important and fundamental of issues should be in the constitution.
     
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  17. Purple

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    If the "Women, know your place!" section of the Constitution is retained can we also reintroduce the Calor Kosangas Housewife of the Year award? It is the sister event of the Rose of Tralee "Festival"* and is part of our proud heritage from a time before all that PC nonsense** started.


    (*Festival in this context means Lovely Girl contest.)

    (**PC Nonsense is when you object to casual racism, sexism, homophobia, misogyny and such things... and sure they never did anyone any hard... as long as you define "anyone" as white heterosexual men with no disabilities.)
     
  18. michaelm

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    Indeed. There is other PC nonsense, like, dare I say, All Gender toilets and the pick a gender, any gender silliness . . one of my sons puts his gender as 'Attack Helicopter'.
     
  19. Purple

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    Indeed, people with gender dysphoria should just cop themselves on, same for those homo-sex-uals, as gender dysphoria isn't a real thing and can indeed be summed up by "the pick a gender, any gender silliness". A good shake, or a year in the army; that's what they need!
    What many don't realise is that if we let people pick their gender civilisation will collapse and all us straight people will suddenly become gay or trans or some other thing that makes us a little bit uncomfortable and therefore we should not allow it.
     
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  20. michaelm

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    Sure let them work on, what harm. God love them :).