bitcoin

There is alot of talk recently due to the massive increase in price of bitcoin that it is now a "store of value". If you really believe that then why not de risk and invest in gold. At the very least only use play money to "invest" in it. Im amazed that people dont want to engage in the core argument of whether this is really an investment and why they refuse to measure it with the same metrics as everything else. There is an almost religious following to it.
 
There is alot of talk recently due to the massive increase in price of bitcoin that it is now a "store of value". If you really believe that then why not de risk and invest in gold.

Because I don't want gold, it's a less practical form of money for me, I can't easily divide it, I don't have a safe to store it securely in, it's more difficult and more expensive to liquidate. I can decide to sell any amount of my bitcoin at any time and have a SEPA transfer going to my bank a/c with the proceeds that same day without even leaving the house.

My thesis for the past few years has been that bitcoin would gradually eat into gold's market as the worlds leading decentralised money - because in many ways it's better at being money.

Having said all of that with the large rises this year, I'm now overweight in bitcoin, and have been selling some off, but I won't be putting the proceeds in gold. I'll also be ready to buy some bitcoin back if/when there's a crash or bear market.
 
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Meh - 2013 was better :-D
feeling good on the outside I hope,

For what it is worth I bought 20K of bitcoin back in 2014 sold end of December 2017 left around 25K worth in bitcoin,
Will be interesting to see in four years time what the 24K bitcoin will be worth,
I took the rest out in December to buy property again it will be interesting to look back in four years time
If I am still around in 2022 will report back,
 
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feeling good on the outside I hope,

For what it is worth I bought 20K of bitcoin back in 2014 sold end of December 2017 left around 25K worth in bitcoin,
Will be interesting to see in four years time what it will be worth,
Timed perfectly - well done you.
 
Timed perfectly - well done you.
not timing took it out because a property came up one side of where i live ,
Will I still be saying the same in 2022 ? ,
I will not be losing any sleep over the 25K still in bitcoin roll on 2022,

I Remember looking at this post back in 2015 thought the poster was going to put his toe in the water to see what it was like,
 
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You could have won the lotto if you bought bitcoin back in Feb 2015

Don't worry I've thought of that often, especially last weekend when changing the car!

I just couldn't reconcile the prospect of the value of Bitcoin reaching anything near like its current value back then, just as I cannot do so right now. So I'm OK with that overall, as you can only act on what you think it right at the time.

Still.....it would be nice!!!
 
I don't like to put USD or Euro valuations on bitcoin.
I think that will always be a fast moving target as those 2 fiat currencies continue to inflate their supply.
In addition to the wild speculation of price movement that the markets appear to create.

I am attracted to the bitcoin project and my owning bitcoin is claiming a stake in that project.
 
I always think of your first post back then I was thinking of cashing out around that time very unsure you post helped me stay in .The money I put into bitcoin was money I was owed for a very long time I was having second thoughts around 2015 your post stuck in my mind .To be honest I never felt like buying any more since then,
 

Well done. Even if I had bought, I would have sold out long before the price reached anything near what's trading for now!
 
The Times They Are A-Changin' folks

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/08/technology/cryptocurrencies-come-to-campus.html
 
I caught the tail end of an interview on bloomberg yesterday, some analyst guy making the point that nobody under 30 is buying gold. They are buying crypto.

I dont know what the future for bitcoin is, other than it has potential to grow and grow.
 
Very interesting article from zerohedge regarding a conversation with The FED and bitcoin.


https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...-world-bitcoin-would-dominate-payment-methods
 
So that's what it's all about. A belief that we are already in or heading for a completely dystopian world where you can trust no one. An entry in a blockchain (take your pick of the hundreds available) is the only thing you can believe in. So this all speculation that this is where we are heading. Good luck with that.
 
Yeah, 'dystopian' according to The Fed and Central Banks. Its called Freedom' or 'Liberty' for everybody else.
 
The hurly-burly movements of Bitcoin would certainly feed the adrenaline junkies. I'll leave it to them and stick with Fiat. Wow. I never thought I hear myself championing Fiat....
 
Yeah, 'dystopian' according to The Fed and Central Banks. Its called Freedom' or 'Liberty' for everybody else.
I don't care what you call it but if the price of bitcoin is based on speculation that

(a) there will be a complete breakdown of trust in our current monetary infrastructure
(b) there will in its place be confidence in a digital entry on a blockchain signifying nothing
(c) bitcoin will be the chosen one from the hundreds on offer

then good luck with that.
 
I don't care what you call it
And rightly so - you shouldn't. The article mentioned 'dystopian'. You considered it in the context of bitcoin being a trustless system. If you are dealing with wealth/money/value, all sorts can happen when people are involved. Therefore, a system that assumes from the outset to take a trustless approach can only be a healthy thing.

I'm not sure where you're going with this? What do you mean re. the 'complete breakdown of trust in our current monetary infrastructure? You think that bitcoin is going to interfere with other financial systems?...and if so, how?...and how is the 'trust' in them going to be broken?
As regards (b), you have an issue with an entry on the public ledger (blockchain)? How does this differ from the entry on a banking system showing your account balance?
As regards your (c), why will bitcoin end up being the crypto that wins out? It really remains to be seen if that will be the case. Furthermore, whilst there's no doubt that the vast majority of 'coins' currently offered will fall by the wayside, there will still be a number of coins - serving different purposes which will succeed/stick around.
 
(a) there will be a complete breakdown of trust in our current monetary infrastructure

Not a complete breakdown, but a breakdown nonetheless.
In my short lifetime the Irish punt brokedown 3-4 times, the £Stg was broken down by George Soros, and our currency today - the euro! One of the worlds leading currencies wreaking havoc through the economies that have adopted it, breaking economies instead of the currency.
After that, if you care, a brief read of the history of the thousands of fiat currencies that have failed might be no harm.

But hey! - this time is different, right?

(b) there will in its place be confidence in a digital entry on a blockchain signifying nothing

For someone who purports to carry out 99% of financial transactions digitally, I find this an odd statement.

(c) bitcoin will be the chosen one from the hundreds on offer

Perhaps, maybe not. Who knows?

Btw, now that we have digital transactions, of which your own participation level is 99%.
Can you explain why there are still hundreds of paper currencies?