Duke of Marmalade
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I feel like screamingI hope in future we'll figure out an algorithm that avoids the intense work.
Yes, for the current proof-of-work which is SHA256 hashing, obviously if you change the hashing to some other hashing algorithm, in theory it will be no different in terms of power usage. The type of change I mentioned was moving away from proof-of-work entirely. This is a drastic change, and I'm not even saying it's likely or that we'll figure out an alternative that works, but it's possible that someone does maybe something like proof-of-stake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof-of-stakeI feel like screamingWith this statement I have downgraded my understanding of BTC to 1%
I thought the proof-of-work was completely flexible, the difficulty level is adjustable. If an easier algorithm was used we would need to adjust its difficulty level to get the same result.
I thought the object was to target that it would need 10 mins on average for the whole mining power to add the next block. It is the combination of the 10 min requirement and the current mining power that determines the electricity usage. This is independent of the algorithm that got that result, I thought.
I don't think that is true. It might have been true with a gold standard i.e. governments undertaking to buy back their currency for a set amount of gold. If there is fractional reserve banking then the calls on the currency could be a multiple of its base and it was presumably only the base that the Government held gold reserves for, but I am not sure if they did even that, and I am also not sure whether M2 was covered by the gold standard. These days I don't think there is much, if any, multiplication of the calls on gold brought about by the fractional reserve process. It would need people to be in substantial gold debt.When people /investors buy gold i'd imagine very few get the actual physical asset. So, my query is, if everyone got out of gold tomorrow, demanded their money back in cash, is it not true to say there wouldn't be enough held gold in the world to cover that cash? Of course they could go mining again to cover this but where's the value in that if no one wants it? Also, would there be enough gold underground to cover the cash invested in it?
When people /investors buy gold i'd imagine very few get the actual physical asset. So, my query is, if everyone got out of gold tomorrow, demanded their money back in cash, is it not true to say there wouldn't be enough held gold in the world to cover that cash?
I don't think that is true.
I think this is one area where the "powers that be" have a legitimate cause (and excuse) in stopping bitcoin.
That so much energy is being spent mining (or whatever it's called) is just ludicrous.
It has been argued that a cost of globalisation / capitalism has been the pollution of our environment. I think the use of such amounts of energy on mining bitcoins is most absurd and indefensible.
I am with bread kettle here. We are supposed to be horrified by the amount of electricity used in mining bitcoin, yet no one has even given a figure for the amount of electricity actually used. More electricity than Ireland, Venezuela, the moon, isn't an argument its a shout for attention.
I am with bread kettle here. We are supposed to be horrified by the amount of electricity used in mining bitcoin, yet no one has even given a figure for the amount of electricity actually used. More electricity than Ireland, Venezuela, the moon, isn't an argument its a shout for attention.
A bitcoin question.
What gives bitcoin its value.
I understand the scarcity aspect, (like gold), I understand the security, anonymity and ease of use aspects, (I say understand, I mean accept at face value, because life is too short to follow then query the explanations, I'm not as brave as the Duke). I understand the network aspect.
However none of these, to my mind, make bitcoin worth more than a debit card linked to a bank account with no money.
Gold has an intrinsic value - bitcoin has none
A bitcoin question.
What gives bitcoin its value.
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A Euro or USD represents a claim on the output of the Eurozone or US economy. What does a bitcoin represent.
This was Satoshi's riposte to the argument that BTC value was counter to Mises' Regression Theorem. The MRT, as I understand it, asserts that money must in the final analysis be traced to some commodity value (salt, gold whatever). The riposte - "it can be usd for payment" ergo it has value. Circular? Well yeah.The Bitcoin thought experiment
Then we arrive at Satoshi's proposal:
As a thought experiment, imagine there was a base metal as scarce as gold but with the following properties: - boring grey in colour - not a good conductor of electricity - not particularly strong, but not ductile or easily malleable either - not useful for any practical or ornamental purpose and one special, magical property: - can be transported over a communications channel If it somehow acquired any value at all for whatever reason, then anyone wanting to transfer wealth over a long distance could buy some, transmit it, and have the recipient sell it. Maybe it could get an initial value circularly as you've suggested, by people foreseeing its potential usefulness for exchange. (I would definitely want some) Maybe collectors, any random reason could spark it. I think the traditional qualifications for money were written with the assumption that there are so many competing objects in the world that are scarce, an object with the automatic bootstrap of intrinsic value will surely win out over those without intrinsic value. But if there were nothing in the world with intrinsic value that could be used as money, only scarce but no intrinsic value, I think people would still take up something. (I'm using the word scarce here to only mean limited potential supply)
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