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Confused

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Hello,
Im director of an IT consultancy Ltd company (Im the sole employee)in operation about 3 yrs. I havent taken out any pension yet and am wondering whats the best way forward. While I'd like to imagine that I'll be able to sustain this companyfor the forseeable future, I'm apprehensinve and realise that I may return to the PAYE workforce in the next few years (although maybe not). Am I better off going for a PRSA in this instance. If I go to visit a pension advisor, what are the costs, is this adviseable rather than buying a product over the counter?

thanks for the direction.
Confused
 
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I am not a pension expert but i think some sort of pension is definitely a good idea.

However you may be able to get as good a deal by getting a 'standard' pension scheme. I am not sure what the additional overheads are of setting up a pension scheme with you as sole member. The advantage of a PRsA is that
1) commissions are limited to 5% initially and 1% pa
2) They are flexible i.e. you can pay into them even if you are not working and roll up tax credits

you may well be able to get as good a deal on a normal pension (not sure on this?).

Pension adviser are normally paid on commission. Commissioon can eat up all your first years premiums and 6% of ANY increases in the worst case. Some brokers rebate some/all of this to you. Some take a fixed or hourly fee instead.

Do not buy a product over the counter unless the adviser comes highly recommended and discloses all commission. Go for one who is not linked to any company (there is a name for them Authorised Investment Intermediary or something like that).

Depending on how much you are putting in you may be better off going for fee based advice (200 euro per hour or so) rather that commission.

I am sure some advisers are in this forum, liam ferguson and primafinance.ie spring to mind.

someone more knowledgeable will, i am sure, comment further.
 
been there

Confused,
I was in the same situation as you.
I went with a PRSA because of the flexibility when it comes to taking up regular job in the future.

There could be issues if you are paying in to a regular pension when you are working for a company with an occupational pension.

Savy
 
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Hi Confused,

Getting price right is terribly important but of greater importance is getting your investment strategy right, and that means getting advice.

Advice must be paid for, and there is a few models, some clearly better than others - provided you use a good advisor;

1. You can deal directly with a product provider. This typically results in a bite of 5%, but it can be higher - and up to 50% of your first year contributions could be snaffled up too. The fund management charge will be between 0.75% and up to 2% pa. Uugh

2. You can use a normal commission based intermediary who is likely to charge you something at the upper end of the above prices.

3. You can use a low price, commission-paid intermediary who is likely to give the advice but major on the fact that his or her firm use lower commissions than the highest in the market, like 3% on contributions etc, but that doesn't mean your getting good value - just cheaper than the dearest.

4. You can use a fee based intermediary, of which there are different hues. Most charge fees of up to €1500 to set up a scheme, but fees of €500 to €800 are more common and closer to the cost of time required to advise and report to you.

5. You can pay a strong fee like @ €200 per hour including travel, meeting and report to a pure fee only advisor, and then execute the advice through a discount house where you could get close to zero entry costs on your contribution and fund charges of, probably 1% or so.

6. You could become an employee of a product provider and get manufacturing rates like, zero entry costs and fund charges maybe 0.75% to 1% pa.

The PRSA "Standard" is a useful benchmark. It takes 5% on the contribution and fund charges at 1%pa, but nothing on the contribution and fund charges of 1.25% pa or less would be even better for example. The cheapest offer on the open market I think is Quinn Life where you can get personal pensions at no entry costs and fund charges at 1%. advice is over the phone, but don't expect a well experienced advisor.

Whatever you do, I'd suggest diversification across asset managers if you're putting in large ammounts, ie set up a portfolio. If you've 20 to 30 years to retirement chose equity funds. The longer the term the more you should be in equities. You could use a combination of index tracking funds and specialist ones such as focused funds that concentrate on a narrower range of stocks like 15 to 30, compared to 50 to 80 in a general equity fund.

You're not wedded to an asset manager so make sure you look at the cost with your advisor of switching across asset managers if one fails to perform reasonably in the future. If you've got the right advisor, the firm might do this at no cost to you, and no commission effects.

Hope this helps.

Seven of Nine
 
DO not get a PRSA....
1) get a good accountant
2) get a DIRECTORS pension.... your company can then put in over 90% of your salary into the pension....
i.e. if you get paid 25K per year, you company can put 90% of 25K into a pension for you!!!! much better than the crappy 5% PAYE workers get.....

Dino
 
what??

Dino,
Thats fine if you can live off the 10% of the salary remaining.
Its all about getting the balance right between contributions, quality of live and other financial arrangements
 
90%

You get paid the €25k and the company can putin up to and amt equal to 100% of salary i.e. another €25k provided you are not overfunded for retirement (which your pension provider can calc for you).

Don't know where the 90% comes from.

This is good tax planning in that it is a efficient way to move value from the company to the Director in the years the company does well.
 
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