Probably true, but on the world stage, merely an average journeyman.Irelands greatest motor racing driver ever.
Ah come on. That's not how drug abuse works and if you're going comment on something you should at least know that much.How did she pass a dope test?
Are you sure?
Ronnie Whelan & Mark Lawrenson of the dominant Liverpool teams of late 70s and 80s may dispute this. And they played in a era with 1 substitute on the bench and only those who played getting medals, not the whole squad of 30+ as during Irwins career.
Ah come on. That's not how drug abuse works and if you're going comment on something you should at least know that much.
These multiple swimming medals happen too often for my liking. It's not like Carl Lewis winning multiple golds at diverse events.All of these pale into insignificance when you consider the achievements of Michael Phelps - 11 olympic gold medals (and a couple of bronze), 3 more finals to come in the 2008 games with World Records set in each of the 5 medal winning performances - and he's only 23.
??That doesn't stop you commenting.
Whats the point of that list? The OP asked about the best Irish sporting achiever ever not the best in each sport. Pick one.
... It is very difficult to compare competitors from different eras never mind across different sports...
The list is in support of the sentiment expressed in your earlier post -
Had you forgotten?
These multiple swimming medals happen too often for my liking. It's not like Carl Lewis winning multiple golds at diverse events.
I feel the question needs clarifying.
"On the World sports stage which Irish person has achieved the greatest success?"
AOB is the only person who can claim to be at the absolute summit of his sport on this planet, and by a country mile. All the others mentioned in this thread have done well relative to other Irish people but would not be World Best, except maybe the GAA-GAAs but surely they don't count.
I feel the question needs clarifying.
"On the World sports stage which Irish person has achieved the greatest success?"
AOB is the only person who can claim to be at the absolute summit of his sport on this planet, and by a country mile. All the others mentioned in this thread have done well relative to other Irish people but would not be World Best, except maybe the GAA-GAAs but surely they don't count.
Time for a controversial one...Eddie Irvine. Irelands greatest motor racing driver ever. Took no crap from anyone, nearly won the title (in Schumachers absence) but for a messed up pit-stop, but yet people think of him as the laughing stock 'mad Irishman' driver who was only after the best party.
Of course Kelly and roche never tested positive so we have to give them the benefit of the doubt.
BTW do you remember one of the tours when Kellys team were doing really well in all the tour categories (I think he was riding for Panasonic) when the team suddenly all had to withdraw with a bad case of "food poisioning"?
Roche denies taking EPO
By Johnny Watterson and Paddy Agnew
3/1/00: Irish cyclist Stephen Roche, who won the 1987 Tour de France, Giro d'Italia and World Championship, yesterday denied that he had ever used the performance enhancing substance erythropoetin (EPO).
"Never. Never," said Roche when asked directly yesterday if he had ever taken the drug. "I know I can sleep at night. I know in my heart and mind nothing can come back to haunt me because nothing is there. No one can produce anything," Roche added.
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"It is sad to see it coming out like this. I know in my mind nothing can come out to hurt me. It is frustrating but there is nothing to say I took EPO. My haemocrit levels (an indication of the number of red blood cells in the blood) were never beyond the illegal limit of 50 per cent. That is the way it is. What can you do? Sean Kelly tested positive twice and his image is still intact . . . whether you take it or not people are always suspicious," said Roche.
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