Hi All,
The thing is Enda Kenny only retired as a teacher this year after 30 years leave of service, which I think is far worse - he was holding up a permanent post, paying a sub and pocketing the rest (plus full entitlements to a pension) ....
What do people think??
He should have resigned long ago, but you are correct in your interpretation of leave of service, it does however entitle him to a full pension (i think), but only because he was a dail member.I am completely confused. Are you saying that Enda K was getting paid for the past 30 years for NOT working as a teacher. He then paid someone else less money to do the job for him and he pocketed the rest?
Is that true? Surely the dept of education do not pay teachers that are not working for 30 years.
I would have assumed that leave of service means you dont get paid but the job is there for you if you want to return. However 30 years leave of service is generous in the extreme.
politicians being entitled to return to teaching or other civil service posts if they lose their seats.
Hi All,
....I don't condone what he did I cannot throw the first stone. As I have taken cash for little jobs (small websites and stuff) that I did and not paid tax. In the past and was broke...
he won't resign, that's for sure.
to clarify: Public servants and every other irish citizen can be elected to Dail/Seanad.
Civil servants can not.
With regard to the interdependencies between the political and administrative systems, whilst the Minister of the department officially employs his departments civil servants, they do so on the recommendation and nomination of individuals by the Civil Service Commission, political affiliation or support is extraneous to the procedure.
Any successful candidate appointed to the civil or public service, if a member of a political party is required to relinquish membership on appointment. Furthermore, civil servants who declares himself a candidate for a local, national or European election must retire from the service regardless of the election outcome.
Since the 1960's the civil service associations battled against this tradition. In 1974, the government introduced a modification to this rule, regarding political activity, by permitting clerical staff, analogous grades in the technical area and industrial workers to engage in politics. The statement did however, expressly forbid civil servants form standing for election regardless of their grade.
Civil servants involved in the framing of policy documents and proposals remain completely barred from political activities, this includes those servants found in the administrative, middle and higher management grades in the general service.
The government of the day introduced this modifying measure by attempting to balance two tantamount arguments; that in a democratic society it is desirable that as many citizens as possible should play an active part in the public affairs of the community, balanced by the notion that the public interest demands that confidence be maintained in the political impartiality of civil servants.
I am completely confused. Are you saying that Enda K was getting paid for the past 30 years for NOT working as a teacher. He then paid someone else less money to do the job for him and he pocketed the rest?
Is that true? Surely the dept of education do not pay teachers that are not working for 30 years.
I would have assumed that leave of service means you dont get paid but the job is there for you if you want to return. However 30 years leave of service is generous in the extreme.
Well it looks like Bertie has answered the questions at last. The 30k was not given to him but to Ms Larkin, it was given for the renovations of the house, he also put his money into the house, end of!!!
When a teacher becomes a TD their replacement cannot be made permanent so in Enda’s case someone has been teaching his classes for 30 years on a temporary basis. That temp teacher does not get paid for holidays and does not get a proper pension (the major financial attraction of becoming a teacher). Enda gets paid the difference between what the temp teacher gets and what he would get if he was still there full time. He also gets a teachers pension. I accept that it could be a good idea for their job to be left open for one term or the Dail but not beyond that.I don't see a whole lot wrong with politicians being entitled to return to teaching or other civil service posts if they lose their seats. I would not criticise the likes of Enda Kenny or Mary Hanafin for exercising this entitlement if/as it is legally open to them.
They would be honourable if they did not do so.They would be foolish not to do so.
I agree that in general it’s more serious to take bribes (from anyone) but in the case sited by the OP Enda Kenny has gained a lot more by exploiting a temp teacher for 30 years than Bertie ever got from dinner buddies or plasterers. It is, in my opinion, no right to keep a job open for yourself if doing so seriously disadvantages the person who replaces you.The notion that the practice of TDs holding onto teaching posts is somehow comparable to those taking bungs from private businesses is preposterous. Which is more serious, Padraig Flynn's retention of his teaching post for 30+ years or his alleged acceptance of €50,000 from Tom Gilmartin?
Everytime something is released to the media, he says it's sabotage. Fair enough, but can we also focus on the issue itself a bit more. Why was a businessman giving 30,000 to Celia Larkin...she can't pull any strings for him. Would it be fair to presume her relationship with Bertie was a factor in this 30,000 being handed over. If Bertie was already putting money into the house, perhaps that was 30,000 less he had to put in. Is this a wild conclusion? I think not.
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