Auschwitz was liberated by the red army 70 years ago today.
They said never again but of course it did happen again and will happen again.
The commemoration plaque at Dachau was also to be inclusive of all those who suffered in the camps except the Jewish participants kicked off about homosexuals being represented along side them. Seems they haven't learned much themselves.
Stop telling the truth. You must blame the Jews!The same thing exists in Auschwitz - There are memorials to all the various groups that died in the camp, but the homosexuals. Its notably absent - its because the current polish regime is so anti-gay - that modern day politics glosses over the past atrocities.
The biggest irony is the Jewsish community shedding a tear today but turning a blind eye to the similar atrocities they are carrying out against the Palestinian people.
Purple, you shouldn't let idiots like Bullbars wind you up, and if you do you shouldn't qualify in any way the dismissal of her obscenity. There is no comparison whatsoever with what the Israelis feel they must do for sheer survival compared with the deliberate and systematic genocide by the Nazis. And that's not just a numbers game, even if the numbers were equal there would still be no comparison.Stop telling the truth. You must blame the Jews!
Just as you must equate the mass murder of millions of people with the intention of wiping them off the face of the earth with the excessive actions of an extremist government in Israel.
Bullbars, your comments are disgraceful. There is no comparison between what the Nazis did and the excessive and often criminal response of Israel to Palestinian Islamic fundamentalist terrorism.
Stop telling the truth. You must blame the Jews!
Just as you must equate the mass murder of millions of people with the intention of wiping them off the face of the earth with the excessive actions of an extremist government in Israel.
Bullbars, your comments are disgraceful.
There is no comparison between what the Nazis did and the excessive and often criminal response of Israel to Palestinian Islamic fundamentalist terrorism.
Purple, you shouldn't let idiots like Bullbars wind you up,
and if you do you shouldn't qualify in any way the dismissal of her obscenity.
There is no comparison whatsoever with what the Israelis feel they must do for sheer survival compared with the deliberate and systematic genocide by the Nazis.
And that's not just a numbers game, even if the numbers were equal there would still be no comparison.
These odious comparisons remind of when Saint Mary McAleese compared unionists to Nazis.
You've probably heard of Godwin's law - the fact that as a blog gets longer and longer the probability of reference to the Nazis approaches one, well I'll give you Duke's Law - it seems the same holds these days for a reference to gays.
My comments weren't thrown in as some sort of forum hand grenade. My work takes me through different regions and recently worked in both Israel and Germany in close succession. It was poignant to notice the similar struggles of two peoples but to note one has now become the tyrant in a reversal of part of their own history, hence my comment they haven't learned much themselves. A group were wronged and terrorised along side them at the same time yet they used the same hatred to further persecute.Gets Popcorn
So many? No, just facts that you don’t like.Bullbars so many misunderstandings of my position and so many nonsenses of your own that I will only highlight a few.
Equally pathetic, claim ignorance and throw in another slight. You’re on a roll.Given this lack of knowledge I though the more politically correct pronoun was she but of course to someone hypersensitive on the point nothing will suffice.
I was not saying this thread is an example of Godwin's law (as you say that would be ridiculous). But by the third post the gay thing was invoked (by yourself) and I was simply musing are we going to get to the stage were Duke's Law holds.
Didn't say you were making a numbers point. But I am. Nazi ideology was pure evil, Israelis are in a permanent role of self defence. On motives alone there is no comparison whilst on execution, well, you know the numbers. Name me one of the many Israeli/Arab conflicts which Israel "started".
I note your long ramble on the descent of Nazi Germany into what RTE describes (rightly) as the greatest crime in history against humanity. Are you in some way trying to contextualise that crime with a view to showing that they were no worse than the current Israelis? Please say that isn't so.
Purple stated that there is no comparison with what the Nazi’s did to the Jews, but a cursory search proves that Israel took some of the Jewish Decree rules and used them against another race.
Learning is meant to be fun, so lets press on.This is fun.
The decrees were various rules brought in that persecuted the Jewish community and facilitated the transfer of jobs and wealth from the Jews to indigenous Germans. It eased the German people in to gradually believing that the Jews were actually a sub class race and not on par with the Aryan race. This was essential in later years when they needed to enslave the Jews. These types of laws were/are used against a segment of the populace - like in Northern Ireland / South Africa / Israel - to break them and try to move them to "their own lands" ie. poorer ghetto's and ill-prepared housing locations in the hope they'll give up and leave altogether. Many Jews left Europe prior to the Second world war, this again *unfortunately played in to the hands of the Nazi leaders. *(Not unfortunate that they managed to escape but it was fuel for the Nazis assume this was a social benefit and they should keept going down this road)I don't know nuffin' about this Decree rules stuff
This is the problem. Jews can only equate the massacre of their people 70 -80 years ago to minimise their own similar criminal actions today. The successive Jewish governments of Israel have terrorised a people since the inception of their state. The gassing of the Jews took a massive and unforeseen turn when it became clear to the Nazi leaders during the war that their secret was about to be unfurled if they didn't undertake a massive cover up. It was unforeseen and German forces were so unprepared that the extermination camps were running out of ammunition and gas and executions "success" rates resulted in soldiers having to line people up and use one bullet to execute 5-10 people each time. In the end when the camps were on the brink of being discovered German guards simply burned wooden huts knowing the sick inside were too weak to escape. The mass executions weren't an initial bloodlust but a scramble by a few desperate criminals to cover up what they had been up to.but without even Googling I am prepared to wager that, as Purple asserts, there is no comparison with mass murder in gas chambers, but I am open to be corrected.
You mention that Israel has the Bomb. So why, given their lust for Palestinian blood, have they not used it? Okay silly point but what about these rhetorical questions: What would Hamas do if they had a Bomb? Hizbollah? Iran? Isis? The Taliban?. Admittedly some of these, if they had ony the one Bomb, would use it against fellow islamists but if they had two Israel would surely be next.
I really do not know what to make of this. So the Holocaust was a tiny gang trying to cover up their crimes. For a start that was not a very successful strategy. But here is were the H-denial comes in. Most objective people accept the Nazis at their word - they were embarked on the Final Solution to the Jewish question. This involved the extermination of that race. To postulate that they only meant to kill a handful and then lost the run of themselves in an attempt to cover up beggars belief. I can now see how you can form such a grotesque view of the current Israeli situation.The mass executions weren't an initial bloodlust but a scramble by a few desperate criminals to cover up what they had been up to.
The truth does hurt when you refuse to accept it...that was disturbing me. .
Israel have done that themselves. Their crimes are there for you to verify yourself but choose to ignore it.I knew it wasn't your demonization of Israel, .
No, it was your part exoneration of the Nazis, indeed a sort of Holocasut denial but of a most bizarre kind.
I really do not know what to make of this. .
So the Holocaust was a tiny gang trying to cover up their crimes .
For a start that was not a very successful strategy.
But here is were the H-denial comes in. .
Most objective people accept the Nazis at their word - they were embarked on the Final Solution to the Jewish question. This involved the extermination of that race.
Postulate, no, facts are there for themelves. It does beggar belief but a lot of what went on at that time truly beggars belief.To postulate that they only meant to kill a handful and then lost the run of themselves in an attempt to cover up beggars belief.
I can now see how you can form such a grotesque view of the current Israeli situation.
Not my version, historys. The numbers are plainly obvious but as you can’t argue this you haven’t mentioned it in you’re head in the sand antics.So you are sticking by your version that the Holocaust started off with very humble aspirations .
and is in large part due to an attempt to cover up what was relatively small to begin with.
Sort of as if I knocked down my neighbour's dog (deliberately) and then destroyed the whole neighbourhood to try and cover it up. .
Well it's a theory, .
but I am still not sure whether you arguing that this lessens the moral culpability, indeed to the point were they were essentially innocents at heart compared to the vile Israelis.
I thought you were kinda excusing those fine catholic Bavarian folk..
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