yes. That would be fair and gender neutral. Legislation that will negatively impact one gender far more than the other is sexist, even if it is not gender specific.Would you have been happier if the allowance was halved for each person? So the overall impact would be the same but there would be no need for messy renegotiation of maintenance etc.?
You're pretty much agreeing with what I said - there's no requirement for the non-primary care giver to take the full net impact of this (net here meaning after reallocation of resources between the couple). Whether it's through mediation, the courts or by mutual agreement, the reality that the couple's combined resources are down by €200 per month will need to be reflected in revised maintenance agreements.
Would you have been happier if the allowance was halved for each person? So the overall impact would be the same but there would be no need for messy renegotiation of maintenance etc.?
Yes - the Finance Bill should and could have split this credit. The couple are no longer a couple - so the idea that they will somehow split a tax credit is not a runner(ie our exwives dont really think like that!)
Even if they did its probably not sustainable as the Revenue have brought in emotive terms like primary carer and secondary carers.
So not only do we find ourselves down a packet every month - this disgraceful legislation has rebranded us as secondary carers! As though we dont care as much about our kids as the mothers!
Disgraceful!
I don't understand your point. The legislation IS gender neutral - if the primary care giver is the father, he gets the allowance. The fact that courts (and very often couples themselves) decide that the mother is the primary care giver seems to be your issue - but that is independent of this legislation. The couple/courts decide the finances so there will probably be a reallocation of the impact of the change - there's no legislation or rules to say that the non-primary care giver must take the full net impact of this.
That's my reading and hearing of it on the ground too.Am not sure that you have that right - I heard they are going to change the legislation to limit the impact of this change to those people abusing the system.
I dont think anyone will be worse off than €200 a month. Anyway we havent seen the final version of the finance bill.
if the other parent agrees to relinquish it
well at least it has been well thought through - separated/divorced couples are well known for their amicable nature when it comes to money & children
the current version of the Bill allows the non-custodian parent to get the credit if the other parent agrees to relinquish it AND the child(ren) are with them for at least 100 days a year -
In relation to this point - and from reading a lot of the posts, i would like to point out that not all ex-wives are out to get what they can and that some separations are amicable....!!
I am losing my job at end of December - so will be even more reliant in part on the v. small amt of maintenance that my ex. gives me - so in this situation why would i give him my extra credits, he wont give me €5 extra...... so there are two sides to all of this....in my case he refuses to pay our mortgage, so no sorry no negotiating for me.....
And that there just typifies one the problems with this new tax credit. You're losing you're job, have no need for this credit, but refuse to give it to your ex. So it will be lost back to the govt. coffers. And yours is an amicable separation! Brilliant!
my ex has left me struggling to pay the entire mortgage and with a pittance of maintenance....... yes, i am losing my job, but if i get one in a short period of time but have given him the credit -where does that leave me!????
You have assumed that i will have no need for this credit....... and your attitude is exactly the reason why some women would rather let it waste than give it to an ex to be perfectly honest!
It absolutely does - i do not consider myself spiteful, but in wont be handing over my credits - yes I 'might' get a job as you put it, I will be trying damn hard to get one, I am the one left paying his debts!
What % of fathers pay little or nothing towards maintaining their kids - and these are
still the ones that will be looking for the credit!!!!!!!
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