ubiquitous
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It (remuneration) should match the fact that it's a small airline.
Should this principle apply to all AL staff remuneration?
Surely there is more than Ubi with an opinion on this matter, it's getting boring debating an unwinnable argument with ubi?
Something like 70k?? How long are they with the company? The entry level wage to AL is €20,237.00 a full 10k less than the average industrial wage.
Did you know Dermot Mannion got a salary in the region of 1.1 million last year ??
Well you live up to your name, can't believe an Aer Lingus defender likes competiton, that's why Aer Lingus are where they are today - I was in a bad mood this morning but you've given me a good laugh.I know I know, I've done it twice in the past, but it's good we have a choice of airlines now don't you think.
Competition, see above.
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Well you managed to pin havealaugh down which I did not, particularly on the families from abroad question.
Well you managed to pin havealaugh down which I did not, particularly on the families from abroad question.
Does anyone know for sure that baggage handlers are earning 70K because I'm in the wrong job if that is so. I don't get the point about entry levels only getting 20K, isn't Aer Lingus a closed shop as in, if you're in you're in, you never leave and there is no new hires?
I was merely stating there is competition on the routes you mentioned so stop whining and change airline.Well you live up to your name, can't believe an Aer Lingus defender likes competiton, that's why Aer Lingus are where they are today - I was in a bad mood this morning but you've given me a good laugh
It's not about "pinning" people down rather having an open debate.Well you managed to pin havealaugh down which I did not, particularly on the families from abroad question.
Does anyone know for sure that baggage handlers are earning 70K because I'm in the wrong job if that is so. I don't get the point about entry levels only getting 20K, isn't Aer Lingus a closed shop as in, if you're in you're in, you never leave and there is no new hires?
Families from abroad question ?particularly on the families from abroad question.
No you are wrong, for example I know for a fact that there are new seasonal workers taken on every year. You must be refering to the Public/Civil Service.I don't get the point about entry levels only getting 20K, isn't Aer Lingus a closed shop as in, if you're in you're in, you never leave and there is no new hires?
Everyone is reasonably sure about everything thats goes on in AL but nobody knows diddly for fact. No deflection, rather just stating the facts. You never answered how long the people you know are working in AL, the ones on 70k, and how many hours are they working for this 70k?.Reasonably sure about the €70K. Mr. Aer Lingus didn't deny it, just tried to deflect it by telling us about the €20K entry level.
I was merely stating there is competition on the routes you mentioned so stop whining and change airline.
It's not about "pinning" people down rather having an open debate.
Families from abroad question ?There is plenty of choice of airlines to get to Ireland from wherever in the world you want to come "home" from. It's not Aer Lingus's obligation or concern to get you and other families "home" for Christmas.
No you are wrong, for example I know for a fact that there are new seasonal workers taken on every year. You must be refering to the Public/Civil Service.
Everyone is reasonably sure about everything thats goes on in AL but nobody knows diddly for fact. No deflection, rather just stating the facts. You never answered how long the people you know are working in AL, the ones on 70k, and how many hours are they working for this 70k?.
There are genuine concerns for 1300 workers and their families who pay their taxes in this country and not abroad - this is what the issue is.
It's not Aer Lingus's obligation or concern to get you and other families "home" for Christmas.
No you are wrong, for example I know for a fact that there are new seasonal workers taken on every year.
You still have not answered the question and I'm rather taken aback at your response about Aer Lingus's obligations to it's customers, I thought it was the 'better, caring ' airline. Actually I naively used to belive that until I say what a difference Ryanair made to people's lives and tourism into Ireland.
For your information I have plenty of choice on my route and normally I take Ryanair (always cheaper, well at least 29 times out of 30 to Aer Lingus) and I have other options and this year I'm actually taking the boat as due to the turmoil in the airline industry during the summer when I booked I decided I couldn't risk a particular route closing down. So whining I am not. But seemingly it's easy for you to say to a family living in the US on their 1st trip back in 5 years who've paid 5K for flights to switch to another airline like it was a matter of picking sweets, please get real.
Seasonal workers doesn't count as normal workers.
I'm not having a go at you by the way, I just think that the unions in Aer Lingus have brought about this situation but I understand the staff think it's the management. The truth is if Dermot Mannion et al don't do this there will be no Aer Lingus, and actually I'd rather we have both Aer Lingus and Ryanair, competition is good, a monopoly is not.
If they are worried about their jobs then they shouldn't be going on strike.
But seemingly it's easy for you to say to a family living in the US on their 1st trip back in 5 years who've paid 5K for flights to switch to another airline like it was a matter of picking sweets, please get real.
Seasonal workers doesn't count as normal workers.
and there is no new hires?
You still have not answered the question
There will be no Aer Lingus in a couple of years anyway. Ryanair will take them over and will certainly not take it up the hole from the Aer Lingus unions when the time comes
Oh right
What, and people who face losing their job should care that one family cannot come "home" for Christmas ?
Not at present. If he did he would clean up.Anyone know if Paddy Power has a book on how long AL will last?
The other airlines really are better. Newer planes, more helpful staff, and I'm not abused and screwed for an extra kilo in my briefcase by staff on commission for collecting overweights.
Don't make me laugh - We are discussing Aer Lingus here NOT Ryanair
The only people who are unable to grasp this, it sems, are the people who work for Aer Lingus. It's very obvious to everybody else.
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