The_Banker
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How is it that almost 800 babies have been discovered dumped in a septic tank and there is no criminal investigation?
If this was Bosnia, Iraq, Chile or Afghanistan the UN would be investigating.
Bob Geldof was right all those years ago. Banana Republic, Septic Isle.
For an institution that is so pro-life how come they have treated lives in their care as such?
Makes you wonder if our buddies up North didnt have a point re Rome Rule & Priest-ridden. If those nuns arent toasting down below then the place doesnt exist. There's nothing quite so appalling as religious based evil (& I know CoI institutions were much the same, so there's no anti-catholic bias to the above rant). A blacker day for this little country than any bailout.
Makes you wonder if our buddies up North didnt have a point re Rome Rule & Priest-ridden. If those nuns arent toasting down below then the place doesnt exist. There's nothing quite so appalling as religious based evil (& I know CoI institutions were much the same, so there's no anti-catholic bias to the above rant). A blacker day for this little country than any bailout.
Betsy, that is a dreadful comment not typical of your usually balanced posts. The worst that can be accused, so far as I can see, is malnutrition? Is that the nuns' fault? Do we blame African parents on the malnutrition of their children? Were the nuns living a life of luxury at the expense of the children in their care? If there was malnutrition the fault does not lie with the nuns, it lies with a society that didn't provide for them.If those nuns arent toasting down below then the place doesnt exist.
I think it’s widely accepted that the state was ultimately responsible for the welfare of children in care in the state and that it outsourced the function to a wholly unsuitable organisation. That in no way negates the responsibility of the people or institutions in question to behave in a humane and appropriate manner. If children were literally starving to death in their care it was 100% the responsibility of the Bon Secour order to do something about it. This is an order that came to Ireland after the famine to help starving people and 100 years later they let babies die of malnutrition in their care. Mortality rates of over 50% were never the norm in 20th century Ireland. This was an international order, part of a Catholic Church that was not backward about raising issues relating to their twisted version of morality. They obviously didn’t think half of the children in their care dying was worth making a fuss about.Betsy, that is a dreadful comment not typical of your usually balanced posts. The worst that can be accused, so far as I can see, is malnutrition? Is that the nuns' fault? Do we blame African parents on the malnutrition of their children? Were the nuns living a life of luxury at the expense of the children in their care? If there was malnutrition the fault does not lie with the nuns, it lies with a society that didn't provide for them.
It absolutely has - OP herself compares what happened to Bosnia etc. Betsy Og (normally sensible) hopes the nuns rot in hell. About 10 stories in the Sindo from Emer O'Kelly to Gene Kerrigan outdoing themselves in demonization of the nuns. We have been easily provoked by a British newspaper raking up in hysterical terms what has actually been publicly known, even discussed in Dail Eireann, for at least 80 years. At last a sign of someone breaking ranks - Ho Chi Quinn is condemning the international hysteria. He, like the nuns, welcomes an enquiry. And I expect that just as for Bethany we will get a much more contextualised interpretation of these events.EDIT: I see in the Irish Times that the woman who researched this is not happy with the reporting that babies were dumped in a septic tank. She denies ever saying that. Wonder if this story has run away with itself.
It absolutely has - OP herself compares what happened to Bosnia etc. Betsy Og (normally sensible) hopes the nuns rot in hell. About 10 stories in the Sindo from Emer O'Kelly to Gene Kerrigan outdoing themselves in demonization of the nuns. We have been easily provoked by a British newspaper raking up in hysterical terms what has actually been publicly known, even discussed in Dail Eireann, for at least 80 years. At last a sign of someone breaking ranks - Ho Chi Quinn is condemning the international hysteria. He, like the nuns, welcomes an enquiry. And I expect that just as for Bethany we will get a much more contextualised interpretation of these events.
A very interesting Sindo article quotes from some Scottish doctor visiting these homes in 1955. He says the "County Council paid the home £1 per week for each child and mother. That is a pittance." And indeed it was, I reckon about €50 per week in today's money.
Purple describes the State as outsourcing this problem of society. Good analogy. How many takers would there have been at £1 per week? The nuns were the only takers in town, and now we damn them to rot in hell for taking on the job.
This whole sordid mess was of course a product of a suffocating confessional society. But don't just blame the Pope of Rome and his clergy. Blame De Valera, blame Padraic Perase, blame the vast majority of the citizenry who wallowed in this stifling culture. Scapegoating the nuns and asking why they didn't die of malnutrition is a grotesque cop out.
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