4.3% yield on buy to let good ?

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looking for advice have the opportunity to add to my existing portfolio of 6 properties by purchasing in a good location with a minimum yield of 4.3%, all existing properties on interest only with total L-V on all properties of 60% advice appreciated
 
looking for advice have the opportunity to add to my existing portfolio of 6 properties by purchasing in a good location with a minimum yield of 4.3%, all existing properties on interest only with total L-V on all properties of 60% advice appreciated
Its fantastic.......if you dont mind sacrificing a potentially massive fall in the value of your asset for a slight gain in monthly cash flow.
 
looking for advice have the opportunity to add to my existing portfolio of 6 properties by purchasing in a good location with a minimum yield of 4.3%, all existing properties on interest only with total L-V on all properties of 60% advice appreciated
Are you able to get an IO mortgage of less than 4.3%? If not then a yield of 4.3% is largely irrelevant since you'll stll be making a loss on a monthly basis (not including transaction costs or maintenance charges/insurance/wear and tear/voids). Well that's what I would have thought anyway, you may have other insights.
 
Hi lopin

Please don't forecast property prices on Askaboutmoney. You might read the Posting Guidelines before posting again.

Thanks

Brendan
 
I would go for it bricksguy. You should get finance at 0.7% over ecb which may reduce over time. With market so cold at present more opportunities will become evident whilst the herd are jumping out the window. Whilst I agree with not forecasting prices on AAM at present is probably a good idea I think we should be able and ought to discuss presenting opportunities as panic sellers sell to the more professional investor.
 
I would go for it bricksguy. You should get finance at 0.7% over ecb which may reduce over time. With market so cold at present more opportunities will become evident whilst the herd are jumping out the window. Whilst I agree with not forecasting prices on AAM at present is probably a good idea I think we should be able and ought to discuss presenting opportunities as panic sellers sell to the more professional investor.
On what basis would you go it?
 
I just think market so slow if he gets a motivated seller under pressure he could well get it for cheaper than he thinks. The contrarian in me thinks this yield is attractive in the current climate and human beings need to rent houses. As a matter of interest how does this initial yield compare to the other properties in your portfolio based on purchase prices?
 
I just think market so slow if he gets a motivated seller under pressure he could well get it for cheaper than he thinks. The contrarian in me thinks this yield is attractive in the current climate and human beings need to rent houses.
I would have said the yield was pretty poor. 2 years ago it would have been a good yield but rates have increased by 2% since then, your expectations of what constitutes a good yield should also. That yield represents an investment that makes a loss on a day to day basis (ignoring all other costs, and admittedly all other sources of income - access rights, mineral rights, image rights .....)
 
The contrarian in me thinks this yield is attractive in the current climate and human beings need to rent houses.
Are you expecting an improvement in the climate of the rental market anytime soon though? Rising rents and lower interest rates are by no means guaranteed.

I accept your point that a certain portion of the population will want/need to rent, but there is a saturation point to that. The rising numbers of places to rent on Daft (there are currently double the number available than this time last year) suggests that this point may have been reached already in lots of areas. I think the OP really needs to thoroughly analyze the area they are considering buying in to see how viable it is to BTL there.

On top of that, the large inventory of property for sale in Ireland seems to suggest that there is still a large unwinding of the sales market to go. The amount of property sales in the last 12 months paints a very grim picture when compared with the amount currently available. Buying an investment property now would seem to be rather foolhardy.
 
thanks guys for advice, the area is extremely good for letting so that should not be a problem, it is in a highly desirable area and the owner is emigrating and needs a quick sale so i have got a 5% reduction or 20k saving on original asking price including all contents so fit costs mininmal on an interest only it will wash its face and when over the longer period capital appreciation should kick in again i am looking at a 10-20 year investment
 
Where exactly is the area? What number of rentals are available there? What number of property is for sale in the same? How do you know it is renting well at levels that would give you your projected 4.3% yield?
 
i already own a house exact same type in this estate and so i have a good idea of rental trends which are rising yearly, i am thinking long term as a suitable home for my own kids possibly, thinking of topping up other investment mortgage so as to borrow less than 90%
 
Fair enough. I'm just trying to give you other possible avenues that you should look into before jumping in. Best of luck with the investment should you decide to go for it.
 
thanks for advice, the way equity markets are at the moment is scary i enjoy looking after tenants and problems that may arise, either way it is a good up market residential area with houses coming on the market fairly rarely, still have not made up my mind entirely even with the above 4% yield
 
It is true to say that the equity markets are scary but the irony is that the Irish equity market (at least) is pricing in a very grim outlook for the Irish economy and housing market.

The earnings yields on Irish banks average somewhere between 14% and 15% - admittedly the market is fretting about the earnings hit to the Irish financial sector should the housing market turn sour but even if average earnings were to halve, this part of the Irish equity market would still represent better value than the above mentioned investment property.

And they are highly liquid in case you need to access the cash.

And the stamp duty is lower on equity transactions.
 
The earnings yields on Irish banks average somewhere between 14% and 15% - admittedly the market is fretting about the earnings hit to the Irish financial sector should the housing market turn sour but even if average earnings were to halve, this part of the Irish equity market would still represent better value than the above mentioned investment property.

the earnings yield for the banks might be 14% but the dividend yield is what counts for investors and thats 4/5%
 
Ok - not strictly comparable but the earnings yield implies substantial growth whereas the same cannot be said for residential property in Ireland. But how about this..

On a yield of 4.3% it will take 23.3 years of (gross?) rental income to pay for the property

Taking a p/e of 7 times (approx average for a quoted Irish bank) it will take just 7 years of earnings to pay for the share.

Using this measure the house is over three times more expensive than the shares.

All I am trying to do is provide some food for thought - after all the OP already has six investment properties so perhaps some diversification is in order...?
 
In my opinion a 4.3% gross yield is terrible!
You could get a much better yield in highly defensive stocks with much less risk and hassle.
 
ah come on Thomas do you not realise you are not comparing like with like. The op is getting leverage on his returns using the bank's money whereas with stocks you are generally not leveraging your returns unless using derivatives.
 
ah come on Thomas do you not realise you are not comparing like with like. The op is getting leverage on his returns using the bank's money whereas with stocks you are generally not leveraging your returns unless using derivatives.
Just to correct a small matter. The "leverage" in this case is costing the OP more than the asset is earning. The sock at the bottom of my cupboard gives me a better return than that. I'm not advocating equities either, I'm just highlighting the costs versus returns.
 
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