Parking on public road, residents using cones to stop motorists parking, Council don't care?

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On the road where I live in Blackrock there was a quiet road with about 50 feet of parking on the public road where visitors could park their cars. It ran alongside a side garden so it was not interfering with anyone. If we were getting deliveries or workmen working in our houses we could use this section of the road for our cars for short periods of time. It suited everybody.

Two neighbours on the opposite side of the road couldn't reverse their cars out their driveway in one clean sweep when anyone parked there. It required a little more effort on their part. They got together and contacted Dun Laoghaire Rathdown and had double yellow lines put down.

A few years on and now these neighbours are having difficulty with cars parking outside their house. People park there in the morning and walk to work in Blackrock. It is just outside the Pay and Display zone.

These people are now putting large plastic cones out on the public road to stop people parking on the public road. They already have a driveway and now want a private space outside their homes as well.

Dun Laoghaire Rathdown County Council have been contacted about this but so far they couldn't care less.

Can anything be done?
 
Of course those parked there are legally correct once taxed and insured, that said, who bought their house wanting the road outside to be a car park.

I wouldn't like it myself, the cones are interesting, they have no legal affect and can be moved if one wanted to do that.

I think cones are OK in a busy area if say a delivery truck is due to drop something off, occasional use.

The road is for public use so the local authority should be interested.
 
This is what DunLaoghaire Rathdown County Council have said about the traffic cones on the road.

" I am informed that this is a matter for the Gardaí Síochána, therefore I would advise you to contact them regarding this issue at the earliest convenience."
 
I had an incident recently over a 3 week period where there were roadworks in the Dun Laoghaire area. The contractor was allowing their huge trucks park on the public footpaths while they were waiting to collect rubble and then deliver tarmacadam. I contacted the council who had employed these people and I was told that it was a Garda matter. Seems to be par for the course.
 
Odea said:
A few years on and now these neighbours are having difficulty with cars parking outside their house. People park there in the morning and walk to work in Blackrock. It is just outside the Pay and Display zone.

Can anything be done?
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Perhaps they are concerned with visibility, safety, school children on path as they are reversing out.

Why does your neighbour's actions it bother you? Does it detrimentally affect you in any way?

What are your motivations? (They are your neighbours, after all)
 
monagt said:
Why does your neighbour's actions it bother you? Does it detrimentally affect you in any way?
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I would say that they are unsightly. In fact I think they are classed as litter. In my area the local louts will place them on tops of people's cars. lamp posts etc on their way home from the pub.

They should be removed by the council and not fobbed off on to the local garda.
 
Odea said:
They got together and contacted Dun Laoghaire Rathdown and had double yellow lines put down.

A few years on and now these neighbours are having difficulty with cars parking outside their house.
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What about the double yellow lines?
 
Am I correct in saying that people are legally allowed to park there, but not park where the double yellow lines are? I don't know what your problem is if that's the case. Sorry and all that, but that's it.
 
Odea said:
I haven't a clue what you mean by this?
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Two of your neighbours are obviously benefitting from the arrangement (Perhaps they seem it necessary for safety as already mentioned)

Non residents are being put out in that they have less parking spaces for depositing their cars and walking to place of work and may have to pay for Public Car parking.

So, Whats the problem?
 
I think that post 6 above summed it up quite well.

Other houses on the road are not reserving the spaces outside their houses, just the selfish few.
 
monagt said:
Two of your neighbours are obviously benefitting from the arrangement (Perhaps they seem it necessary for safety as already mentioned)
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Unfortunately this causes a knock on effect. Cars will now move further along the road and park outside someone else's house. Eventually this will lead to a row or the whole road covered in plastic cones.
The council can and should remove these items as litter on the street. It is not a garda matter.
 
Odea said:
I think that post 6 above summed it up quite well. Other houses on the road are not reserving the spaces outside their houses, just the selfish few.
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Is there a Residents Association? If Y, Are you a member, Are you on the Committee?, Have you attended a meeting, Do you know a member?

That would be a start.

If other houses are not reserving spaces outside their houses, so what? Does it really put you out?

I really don't see much harm in a residents holding a space outside their house. Its done all the time, especially in modern developments where no garden walls are erected and the cobble locked garden flows onto the road giving access to 2 parking spots in the garden + access area.
 
monagt said:
I really don't see much harm in a residents holding a space outside their house. Its done all the time, especially in modern developments where no garden walls are erected and the cobble locked garden flows onto the road giving access to 2 parking spots in the garden + access area.
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I think the above is a completely different scenario to what the Op is talking about.

monagt said:
Perhaps they are concerned with visibility, safety, school children on path as they are reversing out.
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We could all use that excuse.

It seems you have no problem with our public roads covered in plastic cones? I for one think they are an eyesore and should not be allowed.
 
Tintagel said:
I think the above is a completely different scenario to what the Op is talking about.
We could all use that excuse. It seems you have no problem with our public roads covered in plastic cones? I for one think they are an eyesore and should not be allowed.
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Its not much different..........one can hold the space outside by demolishing the garden wall and creating parking spaces for parking in the garden.
Done all over the country....maybe we should have a new PC Force to correct this :)

A bit of a Sweeping Generalisation there! -> My opinion of Traffic Cones and their use on Public Roads was never set out by me.
 
monagt said:
Its not much different..........one can hold the space outside by demolishing the garden wall and creating parking spaces for parking in the garden.
Done all over the country....maybe we should have a new PC Force to correct this :)
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I actually think that that might be illegal.

monagt said:
A bit of a Sweeping Generalisation there! -> My opinion of Traffic Cones and their use on Public Roads was never set out by me.
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In the context of the Op's post did you not say the following.. "I really don't see much harm in a residents holding a space outside their house"

I think the Op is talking about people with parking spaces in their driveway, a garden wall....and then placing cones on the road to reserve extra spaces for themselves on the public roadway.
 
SlugBreath said:
I actually think that that might be illegal.

In the context of the Op's post did you not say the following.. "I really don't see much harm in a residents holding a space outside their house"

I think the Op is talking about people with parking spaces in their driveway, a garden wall....and then placing cones on the road to reserve extra spaces for themselves on the public roadway.
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Illegal!
Under Current legalisation or Common Law, both of which apply in Irish Courts?

I think the needs of the local residents far outweigh needs of the non residents. The community is more important and we all have to adjust and make allowances rather than monitor or police our neighbours.

Let the Courts decide if someone has a problem through Criminal or Civil law.
 
monagt said:
Illegal!
Under Current legalisation or Common Law, both of which apply in Irish Courts?

I think the needs of the local residents far outweigh needs of the non residents. The community is more important and we all have to adjust and make allowances rather than monitor or police our neighbours.

Let the Courts decide if someone has a problem through Criminal or Civil law.
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I think what @SlugBreath is saying here is that you can't just tear down a garden wall and add a couple of parking spots to the front of your house. You need planning permission for it.
Only the council is allowed to dish the (public) footpath on front of you property so you can drive in and out easily. They will only do that work if you have planning permission.
Mind, there's quite a few houses that probably didn't bother to get planning permission, and solved the old driving-up-the-curb by putting a wooden plank in front of it.

To the OP: if my neighbours would put down cones on a regular bases to reserve spaces on a public road I would most likely accidentally drive over them. Different story if it is for the odd delivery van or similar.
 
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