Whinging Publicans

Our local is pretty reasonable. €2.50 for a bottle of Stella is a permanent price. Several bottles (Miller, Coors) have been reduced to €2.95. They also do pints of minerals and Shandy's for €2.50 which is pretty good seeing as splits are one of the most overpriced drinks in a pub in my opinion, and i can never understand how pubs get away with charging full pint price for a Shandy. Another one they're pretty good on is that a glass of beer etc is exactly half the price of a pint as it should be. Plenty of places charge more than half. Bottles of Wine are pretty good too, €15 for a bottle of Carmen.

That does sound reasonable. I like the bit about a half pint costing half the price of a pint. I'm not sure exactly but I think bottles of Bud, Miller etc cost well in excess of €4 in our pubs here. I never drink them in pubs as they contain well less than a pint and are very poor value.

They work out at about €1 in the supermarkets and off licences. And they're making a profit at that!
 
That's great for Dublin Ciaraella!

Whingeing publicans? Whingeing posters more like! - what's wrong with you? Get off to the pub with you :p

;)
 
I think that before the Celtic Tiger boom we lived in modest dwellings and the pub was somewhere with nice furniture and big tellies etc. Now that we all have new houses with new furniture and plasmas we're opting to stay at home.

Yer man on Today FM yest was hilarious though saying that the pubs offer a good service and a safe place to be!
 
Yer man on Today FM yest was hilarious though saying that the pubs offer a good service and a safe place to be!

:) Yeah I heard that.

TBH I'm not even sure what he was getting at or trying to say.

"safe" ? As opposed to where? Does he think we'd all be staggering around in skips or alleyways if it wasn't for the pub?

My couch and living room I'll wager are quite a bit safer than than the average pub Mr vintner.

(Never mind that plenty of pubs are far from safe anyway)
 
Comparing prices in Dublin and Donegal is like comparing apples and oranges. The publican in Dublin pays higher rent, rates, insurance and possibly wages so the prices will always be higher .

Dublin pubs get more punters though...
 
That's great for Dublin Ciaraella!

Whingeing publicans? Whingeing posters more like! - what's wrong with you? Get off to the pub with you :p

;)

Good man, Cav!! Doutcha boy!!! :D

(Despite your nasty post, I'll still vote for you when you take your shot at stardom. We'll boast that we knew you when you had nothing and were a nobody!!). ;)
 
That's great for Dublin Ciaraella!


It surely is. The pub wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea, a bit scruffy, the whole place could do with a re-furb, older customers thinking it's ok to smoke in the toilets, a few bowseys. But it's one of those 'where everybody knows your name' kind of places which is nice. And because of the amount of older men there the Guinness is top notch.
 
Honestly, that sounds exactly like my kind of pub! I only really like "old man pubs" generally.

But I'm still not going.
 
Is Beamish a good seller in Dublin? Huge in Cork. They were recently bought out by Heineken who also brew Murphy's. The rumour around here is that they may phase Murphy's out eventually. Is Murphy's freely available in Dublin?
 
The pubs need to adapt to changes in drinking habits. Remember the vintners lobby put down McDowell's proposal for cafe bars a couple of year's ago. Also, the enforcing of drink-driving leglislation has meant more careful drinking. I've been stopped three times this year at mandatory testing stops by Gardai and would have been in trouble had I been drinking. We were out recently and a small bottle of Bulmers and draught pint of Guinness left us with a fiver and small change out of twenty Euro in two pubs in Dublin. Crazy!
 
It surely is. The pub wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea, a bit scruffy, the whole place could do with a re-furb, older customers thinking it's ok to smoke in the toilets, a few bowseys. But it's one of those 'where everybody knows your name' kind of places which is nice. And because of the amount of older men there the Guinness is top notch.

Sounds magic!

Can't believe that tool O'Donoghue is backing the pubs resisting that the drink limits be reduced for drivers. Given all the recent hype re: his lavish expenses, he's starting to get on my whick!
 
They need to come down to Ennis. 2 bars have opened up in the last 6 months and another establishment (which has been closed for 3/4 years) is getting the once over before re-opening. I don't know where the punters are coming from.
2 establishments went in to liquidation and were taken over within days. The trade never stopped and most people don't even know they are under new management.

I understand rural pubs are suffering but this rather large town is bucking the trend.
 
I don’t think the price of beer in pubs is the issue. As a teenager in the late 80s I worked in a large pub on Corks northside. We had the same old codgers in each day and they complained all day long about the price of the beer. Yet, they still paid it. More people packed the lounge that night, complained about any price increase and came back every night.
Monday mornings used to be a very busy morning in the bar (the lounge only got busy in the evening) as those who were on the lash all weekend didn’t bother going to work on a Monday morning and instead came for a ‘cure’. Added to that a large amount of Postmen used the pub after their shift ended about 11:00 AM and there were often sing songs with 50 men singing ballads at lunch time (the pub didn’t do food).
Added to that the area had high unemployment but people still had money to spend as the black economy was doing well and those that were getting nixers (or foxers as they are known in Cork) could readily afford the beer.
The problem for the vintners now is that since those heady days when there was a social class known as the “drinking” class has gone and thankfully gone forever. I remember when we got in Ballygowan for the first time some of the old heads were laughing, saying no one in there right mind would pay money for water in a pub. Added to that there was a major crack down in the early 90s against the black economy and as the Celtic Tiger kicked in able bodied men no longer had the excuse of not being able to find work.
In that time Ireland changed but the pub industry didn’t. Most of the older guys who I would consider “drinking men” are now dead. There was this one guy who used to come into us every Monday morning and stay for the whole day. He would drink at least 20 pints over the course of the day. Not slug them back, but drink them steadily over the course of the day while smoking, playing cards or draughts. He would walk out sober as a judge at 11:30 that night. Needless to say, he died a young man (early 40s) and I see his anniversary on The Echo each year. Another regular came into the bar one morning and his hands were shaking so badly he couldn’t hold the glass that contained his whiskey. I had to put a straw into the glass for him. Once he drank the whiskey he was his normal self again and his hands were as steady as a rock. Again, he is now pushing up daisies.
As a child I remember old guys stumbling up the street as we children played football and they could barely put one foot in front of the other. They used walls and railings to get home and I dunno how they did it. It is a rare sight now and is a scene from yesterdays Ireland.

My wife comes from a tiny village in South Tipperary and growing up there was about 12 pubs in the village that had a population of less than 1000. There are 5 pubs there now and two of these are for sale with asking prices of less than that of a modest 3 bed semi in the suburbs of Cork City. Most of them don’t open until the evening time.

Pubs are closing down and I think it is a good thing. While there is still too much of a ‘drink culture’ in Ireland it is not half as bad as when I was a kid or when I worked as a teenager in a pub.
I get the impression from vintners over the last few days as they try to flex there lobbying muscles (and from the ad campaigns on the radio with Brendan O’Connor as the narrator) that they are nostalgic for the old days of money flowing across the counter. The two guys who owned the pub where I worked became millionaires in a short space of time (although I think one lost his again in the property crash) but I couldn’t see that happening now with anyone opening a pub.
But let me tell you that those days are nothing to be nostalgic about. Kids doing there homework in pubs while parents drank, customers asking the owners for a sub because there electricity was cut off and being refused, men falling and hitting there heads because they couldn’t stand and wives sending the kids up to the pub to ask there fathers for money or to come home and the kids being told to “go home”.
In fact the owners of the pub where I worked probably made more money because they never gave credit or gave a sub to the customers. All the smaller pubs around did and when customers reached there credit limit with those small pubs they couldn’t go back there and they had to go to the ‘big’ pub in the area and they actually paid more for their drink.
As I look back and think of the wasted lives that passed through the doors of the pub where I worked it makes me cringe as I hear vintners go on now about the special place the “Irish pub” is for atmosphere and craic compared to its European counterpart.

The Irish pub in about wasted lives and making money. Nothing more, nothing less.

 
It isn't always about being practicle though as going out to the pub allows the chance to meet people by chance and also gives you the option to head away/change venue if you get sick of the company or surroundings. you can drink at your own pace at a pub too and with regards to watching matches, i think it would become tiresome to be on a schedule with friends as some nights you just want to kick back on your own, but if you are in a rota you can't without upsetting people.
 
Excellent post by the Banker. There really isn't anything romantic about the effects of alcohol abuse..
 
Excellant post The Banker and would remind me of a lot of characters that were around our town growing up. There are still some but seem to be the older generation. a lot of my friends who would have loved the pub scene in their 20's rarely if ever go to the pub now.

Prefer to meet up with my friends and have a bite to eat and maybe one/two drinks then home rather than a session of the past.
People cannot afford to have the smell of drink on them going to work the morning after the night before and also due to the drink/drive laws.
 
still though..if we dont drink in the pubs we drink as much or more at home,its just in us a a race!...that wont make the publicans happy im afraid..but as banker says, the had it good for long enough!
 
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