Independent review body - Public Sector working hours.

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This review body chaired by Kieran Mulvey has recommended that thousands of public sector employees should have their hours reduced to lower pre austerity levels from the 1st July albeit with a 35 hour week limit.
This review has met with Union approval and now awaits Government approval.
 
I think these extra hours were temporary measures in 2013. So I'd expect if they are removed later in the year the union and government will sell it as smthg in lieu of a pay rise. Which in theory it isn't, but might appease the unions in the pay negotiations
 
I think these extra hours were temporary measures in 2013. So I'd expect if they are removed later in the year the union and government will sell it as smthg in lieu of a pay rise. Which in theory it isn't, but might appease the unions in the pay negotiations
I reality it's a pay rise as people will get overtime rates sooner than before. The 'Croke park Hours' were meant to be temporary so it does seem reasonable to get rid of them after 9 years.
 
I think these extra hours were temporary measures in 2013. So I'd expect if they are removed later in the year the union and government will sell it as smthg in lieu of a pay rise. Which in theory it isn't, but might appease the unions in the pay negotiations
A public sector pay agreement is in place since early 2021 which covers last year and this year .
The Independent review on working hours was part of that agreement and as such will be seen as eaten bread by the Unions when pay negotiations are next entered into.
 
The public sector got 1% last year and 1% in October 2022. To be fair I suppose, inflation is 5.7% at the moment. Even if that comes down to say 3% for the rest of the year, salaries in the public sector are in reality falling in real terms.

I don't know what the pay rises forecasted in the private sector for 2023 are. I suppose every sector or Industry is different
 
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The public sector got 1% last year and 1% in October 2022. To be fair I suppose, inflation is 5.7% at the moment. Even if that comes down to say 3% for the rest of the year, salaries in the public sector are in reality falling in real terms.

I don't know what the pay rises forecasted in the private sector for 2023 are. I suppose every sector or Industry is different
Does those 1% include increments?
 
No , agreed incremental salary scales and pay agreements are totally separate issues.
ok, so does that mean that their salary increased year on year by 1% + their increment? If so, does that mean that their actual take home pay is keeping in line with inflation?
 
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ok, so does that mean that their salary increased year on year by 1% + their increment? If so, does that mean that their actual take home pay is keeping in line with inflation?
I suppose you could look at it from another angle - although their salary doesn't increase if their working week falls by 2 hours ( 37 to 35 ) then their average hourly income increases by approximately 5.4 % , if you look at it from the work/life balance point of view then they will work approximately 2.7 weeks less a year.
It should also be borne in mind that PS employees received increases of between 7.4 % and 6.2 % between 2018 and 2020 reflecting the reversal of pay reductions previously inflicted.
 
ok, so does that mean that their salary increased year on year by 1% + their increment? If so, does that mean that their actual take home pay is keeping in line with inflation?
Sorry can't help you there - not everyone receives increments and I'm not privy to the incremental scales.
 
Does anybody know who the members of the review body were?

Edit: I can see that Kieran Mulvey and Mr Kevin Duffy are on it but who else was involved?
When a body recommends something that will cost a billion Euro every 5-6 years we should know the names of the members.
 
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Does anybody know who the members of the review body were?

Edit: I can see that Kieran Mulvey and Mr Kevin Duffy are on it but who else was involved?
When a body recommends something that will cost a billion Euro every 5-6 years we should know the names of the members.
I thought I read a figure of €180 million in the Examiner and the Independent. Did you see it costing a billion?
 
ok, so does that mean that their salary increased year on year by 1% + their increment? If so, does that mean that their actual take home pay is keeping in line with inflation?
For PS workers at the top of their scales, they don't get any increments. In most grades, increments are only worth a few hundred a year and in teaching there's something like 25 increments, again, each worth 300-400 euro a year. With Inflation at 5.7%, they certainly are not keeping up with inflation.
 
I suppose you could look at it from another angle - although their salary doesn't increase if their working week falls by 2 hours ( 37 to 35 ) then their average hourly income increases by approximately 5.4 % , if you look at it from the work/life balance point of view then they will work approximately 2.7 weeks less a year.
I suppose you could look at it from another angle - that or the last 9 years, public sector employees have worked 2.7 weeks a year more than they should have been working. And now the demand/requirement or whatever you want to call it, to work these 2.7 weeks a year for nothing, is no longer required. That's a different slant on the same thing isn't it. Your statement casts a shadow on PS employees, whereas my statement, shows the positive in what the PS employees have done over the last 9 years.
 
It should also be borne in mind that PS employees received increases of between 7.4 % and 6.2 % between 2018 and 2020 reflecting the reversal of pay reductions previously inflicted.
Again, it should also be borne in mind that PS employees received decreases of between 7.4 % and 6.2 % between 2013 and 2018 reflecting the imposition of pay reductions across all grades. See the difference in the two statements when only one side of the story is reported.

Public sector is hiring if the private sector people think it's so good a job and conditions.
 
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