Log cabin

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Hi, we would like to buy a land, it is located in a village in Co Mayo. We would also like to put a small log cabin there, up to 25 sq m. Do we need a planning permission for this? Also, if there is no planning permission, would we have any difficulties getting the cabin connected to electricity with ESB, in other words, in order to get electricity connected, do we need planning permission?

Many thanks
 
Yes, you need planning permission.

You can get electricity supply without planning.

You cannot install a septic tank without planning.
 
Yes, you need planning permission.

You can get electricity supply without planning.

You cannot install a septic tank without planning.
Thanks for your reply. please would you be able to clarify why would I need planning permission. The regulations state that permission is not required if the building is less than 25 sq m?
 
Thanks for your reply. please would you be able to clarify why would I need planning permission. The regulations state that permission is not required if the building is less than 25 sq m?
For an extension maybe, where you're already living in a place. If you're going to put up a new building to live in, with all the services supplied, i'd imagine PP is needed regardless of size.
 
The regulations state that permission is not required if the building is less than 25 sq m?
Where exactly does it state that?

Apart from non-habitable buildings within the curtilage of a home, I'm not aware of such an exemption.

You even need planning permission to keep a caravan in the sane place more than 10 days.
 
Thanks to everyone. We are not really planning to connect to any services, I was just curios about the electricity. We would like to use it for camping from time to time, we will have probably compost toilet and generator for electricity.
 
Thanks for your reply. please would you be able to clarify why would I need planning permission. The regulations state that permission is not required if the building is less than 25 sq m?
I believe you are mistaking the exemption for a non-habitable shed. But that exemption only applies on a site with a fully authorised dwelling house and some other restrictions apply.

Thanks to everyone. We are not really planning to connect to any services, I was just curios about the electricity. We would like to use it for camping from time to time, we will have probably compost toilet and generator for electricity.
What you are proposing is illegal. Even if you want to occasionally stay in a caravan on a piece of land you require planning. I know a guy who used to live in a small log cabin in a remote area. Got away with it for a few years, but ended up costing him a lot of money in fines and removing it all and returning the site to original state.
 
Got away with it for a few years, but ended up costing him a lot of money in fines and removing it all and returning the site to original state.
Not only that, but you can also make it very difficult for yourself to ever get planning permission on the site in future.
 
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I believe you are mistaking the exemption for a non-habitable shed. But that exemption only applies on a site with a fully authorised dwelling house and some other restrictions apply.


What you are proposing is illegal. Even if you want to occasionally stay in a caravan on a piece of land you require planning. I know a guy who used to live in a small log cabin in a remote area. Got away with it for a few years, but ended up costing him a lot of money in fines and removing it all and returning the site to original state.
thanks for your reply...however, I am a bit confused as to what is illegal- to use our own land as wild camping for my kids? Probably I misunderstood you.
 
what if I want to have a small shed to use as a storage and sleep in a tent? Would that be illegal too?
I am getting really confused with the planning rules. The site is currently covered with bushes, weeds, lots of small trees, would I need a planning permission to clear out the weeds and bushes and just leave the bigger trees, to keep the wild look? Many thanks again.
 
You specifically asked about building a log cabin, not camping in a tent.

Its illegal for you to build a log cabin without planning permission.
 
thanks for your reply...however, I am a bit confused as to what is illegal- to use our own land as wild camping for my kids? Probably I misunderstood you.
You can camp in a temporary tent on your own land. you can not erect any kind of building or structure to stay in on you own land without obtaining planning permission.
 
what if I want to have a small shed to use as a storage and sleep in a tent? Would that be illegal too?
I am getting really confused with the planning rules. The site is currently covered with bushes, weeds, lots of small trees, would I need a planning permission to clear out the weeds and bushes and just leave the bigger trees, to keep the wild look? Many thanks again.
There are exemptions (again with restrictions) available for the erection of sheds on an active farm for ancillary use as part of the farm. That certainly isn't what you've asked about here.

The planning rules are actually very clear, unless what you propose is explicitly listed as exempt, you must obtain planning permission. If in doubt, submit a Section 5 Declaration and the local authority will let you know for sure.
 
You specifically asked about building a log cabin, not camping in a tent.

Its illegal for you to build a log cabin without planning permission.
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Would you consider these company's who install log cabins in many a rear garden are doing so illegally ???
 
You specifically asked about building a log cabin, not camping in a tent.

Its illegal for you to build a log cabin without planning permission.

Would you consider these company's who install log cabins in many a rear garden are doing so illegally ???
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As has been said on this thread, building something in your garden, is different to building on land which doesn't currently have a house on it ( as was implied in the OP).

Also, there is a big difference, in planning law between a shed or office and a habitable building.
 
I am on a self build FB page, there is always questions about log cabins and yes I'd say there are a fair few of them going up in back gardens and being used as residential, the bulk of them are not looking for planning and the companies doing them know that too. Must say I will probably join the illegal ranks myself as I want something temporary when visiting a relative and they have room for a small cabin/shed/garden room where I could put a sofa bed. There is access for emergencies which is one of the only concerns I would have, I wouldn't like to live in one that was in an unaccessible back garden.

I believe the bulk of the problem with back garden planning is more to do with the cabins not meeting regulations for habitable buildings rather than the cabin itself, can have it fine as an office or games room but living in it is a different story. Getting one on a green field site has the regs problem as well as normal planning problems.

I lived in a mobile home for several years when first married, very comfortable and no one asked about planning those times for shoving one at the back of the parents house but those days are gone!
 
There is access for emergencies which is one of the only concerns I would have,
Carbon monoxide & dioxide problems don't tend to need a lot of emergency services access...you're dealing with death or respiratory issues there.
 
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