If you have that situation, it sounds like the problem is with the GP. All 4 parents in our family (in their 70's) have received their first jabs - they don't have specific vulnerabilities. A friend's sister is a GP and they have completed the 80's cohort in that practice and are working through the 70's. I know it can be a bit patchy but sounds like your parent's GP is behind the curve a bit
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If you have that situation, it sounds like the problem is with the GP. All 4 parents in our family (in their 70's) have received their first jabs - they don't have specific vulnerabilities. A friend's sister is a GP and they have completed the 80's cohort in that practice and are working through the 70's. I know it can be a bit patchy but sounds like your parent's GP is behind the curve a bit
Not been on the EU side when it comes to their handling of the vaccine rollout. However I actually do agree with their current approach of getting touch on vaccine exports outside Eu to countries that have more people vaccinated than us. I think they needed to get tough and they needed to target countries like the UK and US rather than confining it to Az. It's a much bigger issue than the specifics of the wording of a contract with one company. Targeting Az exclusively was a mistake. Also much bigger moral pressure needs to be put on joe Biden, why are they not been shown up?
Despite what the contracts with the pharma companies say it was morally untenable that the UK would continue to vaccinate under 50s now while vulnerable over 80s in Europe were still not vaccinated
I think boris Johnson also understands this. However I also think moral pressure needs to be put on countries like the US, Israel and Australia.
Despite what the contracts with the pharma companies say it was morally untenable that the UK would continue to vaccinate under 50s now while vulnerable over 80s in Europe were still not vaccinated
I think boris Johnson also understands this. However I also think moral pressure needs to be put on countries like the US, Israel and Australia.
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There are countries where people in positions of authority and trust who in effect steal vaccines so that their cronies can jump the vaccination queue risk imprisonment. Going by today's news (and last week's news and the week before's news and last month's..) Ireland isn't among those countries.
AstraZeneca will face fines if they renegade on their UK contract or the EU imposes an Export stop.
The EU is in no position to play here the moral card at all and it won't work.
Also why "moral pressure" on the US, the UK, Israel or Australia in the first place? And how would "moral pressure" work? The US government is responsible to the US population alone.
Any delay in vaccinations will cost the US/Israel etc billions in revenue and lives of their citizens. These countries were clever and understood that and therefore invested heavily, ordered early and pay a lot of extra money. I would laugh off any "moral pressure"...
It reminds me of the fable of the Ant and the Grasshopper - the Ant represented by the UK/US/Israel - the Grasshopper by the EU....
Germany is still sitting here on unused vaccines for example... France and other countries dragged their feet when it came last year at ordering....
Looking for scapegoats abroad won't solve the problems.
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UK ‘to speed up Covid vaccine rollout’ as EU stops short of export ban
Communities Secretary Robert Jenrick said that more vaccination supplies were due to come on stream in the UK in coming months
www.standard.co.uk
Looks like the EU might hurt itself if they try to impose a ban on the UK...
If the EU impose an export ban on Pfizer to UK, the UK can withhold essential vaccine components (lipids?) from the EU.UK ‘to speed up Covid vaccine rollout’ as EU stops short of export ban
Communities Secretary Robert Jenrick said that more vaccination supplies were due to come on stream in the UK in coming months
Looks like the EU might hurt itself if they try to impose a ban on the UK...
The vaccines are produced in the EU but they get most of their supply of these components from outside the EU.
So while it is true the UK hasn't exported any vaccines, what's not mentioned is how many vaccines were made in the EU with difficult to source components sourced from UK or elsewhere.
When the article mentions concerns from EU countries about supply chain disruption, that's what they mean I think, reading between the lines.
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I think it's only one plant in Yorkshire that supply lipids to Pfizer.
On the broader issue I think the whole thing will calm down now......until AZ do something wrong again.
The lipids necessary for the Pfizer vaccine are provided by the British company Croda from a site in the UK and a site in the US. If the EU would decide to go for an embargo of the UK it could end up itself with running out of the Pfizer vaccine. Nice shot in ones own foot if it comes that far.
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They have clearly stated that there are no issues with Pfizer or its exports to the UK, they are simply trying to get AZ to stop putting other countries before the EU and for AZ to begin the process of making up for the massive shortages since approval.
The BBC this morning was in the Wrexham plant and it was clearly said that they had enough to meet AZs contracted requirements in the UK.
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The article on Sky from 2 days ago wasn't that optimistic
And AstraZeneca would likely become liable if the EU goes that route..
news.sky.com
"It could also ban the export of European-made components used in the AZ manufacturing process in the UK.
British government sources said they want to "lower the temperature" of the current rhetoric, but retaliation could see them restrict exports of components of the Pfizer vaccine manufactured here."
And AstraZeneca would likely become liable if the EU goes that route..
COVID-19: What impact would an EU export ban have on the UK's vaccine programme?
The UK has until recently been largely self-sufficient in Oxford-AstraZeneca doses but there could be tougher times ahead.
news.sky.com
British government sources said they want to "lower the temperature" of the current rhetoric, but retaliation could see them restrict exports of components of the Pfizer vaccine manufactured here."
I think that's the intention behind what they are trying to do, but I think there's an element of bluff to it.
The difficulty for the EU re: the proposed export ban to block just AZ as it talks about proportion of destination country vaccinated, number of cases there etc. Nothing in it specific to supplier. If they block AZ they would have to block Pfizer and vice versa.
I see the beacon hospital now suspended from the vaccine program , is this a bit of a convenient scapegoat though, surely the main mess up was carried out by the HSE when they sent the same 200 people for vaccination in 2 locations. It was this mistake that ultimately led to the Beacon having 20 spare vaccines because probably they were not able to get 200 high priority stand ins in time. Im just speculating of course I don;t know the details. Also what about the teachers most of them probably far from high priority. I think all this talk of needing "vaccine passports" to go on holidays is creating a rat race for vaccines and creating demand from people that are not vulnerable
Yes and bringing in vaccination passports before everyone has had a chance to get vaccinated will exacerbate intergenerational hostility. Younger generations who face little threat from Covid themselves are making enormous sacrifices to protect the elderly. They will resent seeing older people jetting off on holidays while they themselves remain stuck in lockdown Ireland. The government should either accelerate the vaccination programme (which, for reasons I don't understand, it seems unwilling to do) or delay vaccination passports.
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And how would they accelerate the vaccine programme given that we don't have the vaccines. The facts would totally refute your assertion that they are unwilling to do it.
This thread is now 50 pages and the situation regarding vaccine availability and rollout has been discussed/debated in greater detail than another outlet I know of and still some think the government is unwilling ?
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So, an administration error affecting 200 people out of thousands who are vaccinated daily has now lead to scapegoating by the Government and HSE ......
By procuring additional vaccines from outside the EU programme like several other EU member states. Every time the minister is asked about this he just flatly rules it out, no explanation given.
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Those vaccines aren't authorised. Some might take it but I can assure you that many wouldn't.
There is a duty of care by the EU and Governments to ensure that vaccines are safe based on the criteria established by regulators.
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Why? To deflect away from the shambles of HSE management? The Beacon would have been local to me and thousands of others.
Will those people in the private school be eligible for their second vaccine or will it be refused?
How were people double booked for vaccinations? I don't get two pizzas delivered, nor two requests to attend for my NCT, nor two passports when I order one....
The three boys having a smoke outside the quarantine hotel, were they all together.....social distancing?
This shambles has certainly taken over from the entertainment that Trump used to provide....except this time it's not funny.
Sputnik V has applied for EMA authorization and experts say they are very likely to get it. Sputnik can also be delivered on short notice. Ireland could prepare for this by ordering these vaccines now so it's ready to go if and when EMA approval is forthcoming but the gov is refusing flat out.
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Sputnik V is the first vaccine to be rolled out to civilians, is highly effective and has thrown up no problems. I’d have no issue with it.