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At what stage to civil liberties get suspended for the public good?. China embraced the might of the ‘big state’ and seem to have a handle on it based on what I have read. Colleagues there tell me that following enforced holidays after Chinese New Year, it’s back to business and back to work. That’s not to say it’s not having a mighty economic impact but I don’t know if in the West, we’re capable or desire such a similar lock down.
 
I would not regard cooperation in the case of a serious threat to public health a curtailment of my civil liberties.

If I am either advised not to or prevented from going to an area of high infection I would consider that rational and responsible for my own good and that of others rather than a civil liberties issue.
 
The list of large companies in the U.K. choosing to close their offices ‘out of an abundance of caution’ is rising. It’s not so easy for the self employed, small or medium sized businesses to do so from a cost perspective. Worse, it will seem like the choice of the ‘entitled’ instead of the rights of everyone to the same precautionary measures. That’s not counting the functional and economic impact.
 
4 new cases in the west of Ireland... seems to be a family of 4 who came back from N Italy.
 
Current Worldometer reading is showing total cases 95,178 and currently 3.41% have passed on. Currently 6,882 are serious or critical. The consequences of the latter stat is that the death rate will likely go over 4%. Digging deeper the USA statistics are off the charts with over a 7% death rate mainly down to several elderly passing on in a nursing home. Tired of reading people spouting false news that more people die from influenza. Taking USA as an example the CDC say that during the 2018-2019 season an estimated 35 million people got sick with influenza with 16 million of those going to a health care provider for treatment which resulted in 490k hospitalizations and 34k deaths.
 
4 new cases in the west of Ireland... seems to be a family of 4 who came back from N Italy.
One working in the health sector so how many people did they get in contact with since returning back from Italy? Should be told anyone returning in the last while that they should self quarantine now. But maybe it is too late.
 
Oh for sure they covered it up and engaged in all manner of activity democracies would not accept, but true containment with 1.4 Billion people probably required such stark measures.

If we let this get away on us, the consequences will be awful.
 
Methinks you need largely voluntary compliance based on trust; Orwellian State coercion will be less affective in the long run.
 
Methinks you need largely voluntary compliance based on trust; Orwellian State coercion will be less affective in the long run.
Yes. No doubt as we speak the parents of the affected school(s) are planning a cheap skiing trip seeing as they have 2 weeks off during school term. :(
 
How is that false news?
Anyone who quotes it quotes it in comparison to deaths from coronavirus. Like only x amount have died from coronavirus versus the annual deaths from influenza. Like I have stated, the % deaths to cases on both is what counts. Off the cuff remarks like saying more people die from influenza are not reflecting the true attrition rate.
 
I heard the HSE guy on the TV explaining that there is no point in testing people until they show symptoms.

Someone coming back from Italy could have COVID but if it's too early to be showing symptoms, it's also too early to show up on tests.

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You are forgetting about the numbers of people who will require medical intervention in order to survive this.

In countries with less developed health care system, its quite likely the death rate will be higher.

We are stretched here as it is.

Huge new healthcare facilities were built in Wuhan just to treat patients with Coronavirus.
 
Now confirmed one of the four cases in the West worked at least one shift in an emergency department. Hopefully that was before they had symtoms and hopefully that means they didn't transmit - I'm not sure this has been scientifically proven or not?
 
No, saying more people die from flu is reflecting the facts as they currently stand. You seem to be mixing up total deaths and mortality rate.
This year's flu season wasn't as severe as recent ones, so we may be closer to the 300,000 deaths worldwide this year than the 650,000 typically seen from more virulent strains. Flu season generally lasts about 13 weeks, it's also been 13 weeks since COVID-19 emerged, we've seen north of 3,000 deaths to date. I think it's fair to say anyone suggesting 300,000 is a lot greater than 3,000 is not the one peddling fake news.

It's not fake information but it is rather misleading to compare the total effects of a virus which is still breaking out versus a flu which has completed its 'season'. Bearing in mind flu season peaked in Australia last August, and the huge efforts deployed in China to prevent the spread of coronavirus.
 
No, saying more people die from flu is reflecting the facts as they currently stand. You seem to be mixing up total deaths and mortality rate.

This year's flu season wasn't as severe as recent ones, so we may be closer to the 300,000 deaths worldwide this year than the 650,000 typically seen from more virulent strains. Flu season generally lasts about 13 weeks, it's also been 13 weeks since COVID-19 emerged, we've seen north of 3,000 deaths to date. I think it's fair to say anyone suggesting 300,000 is a lot greater than 3,000 is not the one peddling fake news.



People who focus on the mortality rate need to understand that is only part of the picture. If you're worried about COVID-19's rate, don't read up on Ebola!!
Sorry Leo I stand over my post 133. You can interpret anyway you wish.
 
It's not fake information but it is rather misleading to compare the total effects of a virus which is still breaking out versus a flu which has completed its 'season'.

It's comparing the affects of one virus to another, which is perfectly valid. Comparing them is exactly what the scientific community is engaged in so the better understand COVID-19 and how to deal with it.
 
Now confirmed one of the four cases in the West worked at least one shift in an emergency department. Hopefully that was before they had symtoms and hopefully that means they didn't transmit - I'm not sure this has been scientifically proven or not?

As with many viruses, you are contagious and CAN pass on the virus before you show symptoms. Thats why the danger of this spreading is high.
 
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