The quoted post was originally published in the Sites, Planning, Self-Builds and Extensions Forum on AAM. RIAD_BSC Handbags at dawn it is, so... You seem to be forgetting basic economics. The market is composed of buyers and sellers. Buyers may wish to pay €500 for an application. I wouldn't be able to lodge one profitably for that. I will state what I need to be just profitable - €2,000. I won't be budging much from that, mebbee €1,500-1800. Nett of VAT and depending on the difficulty of the site, brief and client. You also seem to be forgetting why we have laws. Laws are there to regulate matters in the publci interest. There is ample evidence of incompetent people making applications. I fail to see why we afford our built environment less care than our bodies. Yes, you can go to a quack and get a snake oil cure, or a repackaged brand X. But if you need that life-saving operation, or a boob job with no scar, you know you have to pay for it. I'm opting out of this race to the bottom on quality chasing price, led by incompetents and cheered by fools who don't see the consequences. We have already seen where this has led in the building industry with some Contractors tendering far too low and then running off with the first stage payment. This is not a market realignment - it was clear that the tender was below cost and shouldn't have been accepted and completing unfinished work may bankrupt the employer. Accepting tenders that are below cost shows a marked lack of judgement on the part of the employer, and a degree of dislocation when warnings like this are posted but not heeded. You get what you pay for - if it seems too good to be true it usually is! But I'm fed up accepting lacklustre design standards and poor build quality. I'm thinking of setting up a forum where poor work by incompetens gets outed. Because thinking these idiots are competent drags down the rest of the profession. I expect there will be Architects Alliance Members, MRIAI's, Technicians, Draughtspersons and Graduates in the mix of award recipients. Possibly this will include some of the disastrous prima donnas that get awards from recognised architectural bodies down through the years. I can't wait to name the first Engineer of Local Authority nixer merchant, who relies for half his business on people getting "refused" and coming to him. I wonder would anybody be interested in this? Sort of like a rolling Flood Tribunal of Planning and Design Incompetence. We could start with all those Ghost Estates and the genius Council Members who voted for them. Why wait until one of them gets caught with his trousers down and cocaine up his nose before acting on this... ONQ.