Aer Lingus cancelled booking - what to do?

If you made a mistake yourself would you expect to be crucified for it? Someone loaded the incorrect prices into a database no doubt and now people are shouting their rights left right and center.

A bit of common sense is needed here, especially where it is clear the prices were large savings.

I do believe that Aer Lingus advertise themselves as a low-fare airline and are constantly advertising their fares. When Ryanair advertise 1 cent flights, nobody imagines that it's a glitch with the system, so why should people think any different with another company. As you said, the prices were large savings indeed, and is what is called, using common sense, as a bargain.
 
If you made a mistake yourself would you expect to be crucified for it? Someone loaded the incorrect prices into a database no doubt and now people are shouting their rights left right and center.

A bit of common sense is needed here, especially where it is clear the prices were large savings.


To be fair, if thats what is advertised, and thats what has gone through the system, and thats what I have paid, and when I have recieved the confirmation email, well yes, i do expect to recieve what i have paid for.

And yes, people who do make mistakes at work do get into trouble for things, it happens. It doesn't mean that these tickets I have booked and paid for should be taken away from me. It doesn't work the other way round If I decided I put in a wrong date. I can't turn around demanding my money back.
 
Same happened to my daughter today. This happened before and flights were honoured. Looks to me like Aerlingus cannot cancel contract as no such condition is contained in terms and conditions.


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That link to that website....very interesting. So this has happened before and the company as honoured the flights, so why not now? I have noticed that the seats that we have booked have now been made available again.
 
Hi all,

I am in the same boat. Booked 2 return flights to Boston for 338 euro yesterday morning and then get the email yesterday evening advising that they will not be honouring the flights. I checked my Visa card as well and the amount is appearing as an unposted transaction but the card limit has been reduced by this amount. I also got my confirmation of the flights after booking so believe this contract should be honored. I called Aer Lingus and they advised me that if I have any complaints that we need to send them in writing to the customer complaints department and they do not take calls or emails.

Anyone any advice??
 
Hi all,

So sorry to hear it's happened to more people! At least if we work together on this we might achieve some critical mass eh?

jhegarty - to my mind, the hold on the credit card is sufficient to make the contract valid. That hold verified that the funds were available to Aer Lingus, and while that hold was on the funds they were inaccessible to the cardholder. Smells like valid consideration to me.

Hylus - I believe either party to a contract is entitled to decide to discharge it. Whichever party breaks the contract must compensate the other party. Usually this is damages but sometimes the injured party can insist on specific performance.

We contacted Matt Cooper yesterday but to no avail. We are going straight to the head of customer relations in Aer Lingus today, sending a letter with our viewpoint and a printout of this thread and of that Sunday Business Post article from '03 (thanks Eams!). We'll probably fax all of that through to their legal department and maybe even to Dermot Mannion himself. The Ray D'Arcy show and Liveline are also on our hitlist!

I'd encourage everyone else affected to do the same. Keep hammering home to them that you do not accept a refund, you want a replacement booking on the same flight, and that you have precedent since they honoured an identical mistake in the past. Hopefully we can get some fairness out of them.
 
It's being covered on the Ray D'Arcy show now. Jason, whoever you are, thank you!
 
This was a similar type incident as few years ago in the UK.
The key is whether the price was so wrong that the customer should have known it was a genuine error. If they were economy class seats you would have a better argument.





Argos makes no mistake with 49p TV


OUT-LAW News, 02/09/2005

It was déjà vu for Argos this week when a £349.99 television appeared on its website priced at 49p. It made a similar error six years ago, sparking the legal debate on website pricing errors. But unlike other e-tailers, Argos was safe in rejecting the orders.

[broken link removed]The Bush 28in integrated digital TV with DVD recorder and stand appeared for £0.49 on the Homebase.co.uk and Argos.co.uk websites, both part of Argos Retail Group. Thousands of orders were placed, one person seeking as many as 80 sets. But the orders have been rejected and refunds are being given.
The company has sent emails to those who placed orders explaining that there was "an accidental error on the price shown" during the period from midnight on 27th August to 07:00 on 28th August.
According to Struan Robertson, editor of OUT-LAW.COM and a technology lawyer with Pinsent Masons, Argos got it right. "Pricing errors will happen from time to time," he said, "but companies can protect themselves against potentially huge losses with a good e-commerce process."
The key is to address pricing errors in the terms and conditions, to make sure these conditions are accepted by customers when they order and to send an order acknowledgement that doesn't undermine that protection, according to Robertson. And this is what Argos did.
Its terms and conditions (taken from Homebase.co.uk but very similar to those on Argos.co.uk) include the following provision:
"While we try and ensure that all prices on our website are accurate, errors may occur. If we discover an error in the price of goods you have ordered we will inform you as soon as possible and give you the option of reconfirming your order at the correct price or cancelling it. If we are unable to contact you we will treat the order as cancelled. If you cancel and you have already paid for the goods, you will receive a full refund."
The payment page of the Homebase website includes a checkbox and the words: "I have read and agree to the terms and conditions of this purchase."
This is sufficient for Homebase to incorporate its terms and conditions in the sale, whether or not a customer actually reads them. Many sites get this wrong: the terms and conditions exist, but if they are difficult to find, the company may be unable to rely on them.
When the payment is complete, an email goes to the customer headed "Thank you for your order". It includes an order number and, importantly, it states: "This email is only an acknowledgement of receipt of your order which has been passed to our team to be processed."
So the customer knows his order has been placed; but at this stage, no contract has been formed with the customer. This is crucial to avoiding liability for pricing errors. The terms and conditions also contain these words:
"Acceptance of your order and the completion of the contract between you and us will take place on dispatch to you of the products ordered unless we have notified you that we do not accept your order or you have cancelled it (please refer to Returns and refunds)."
Accordingly Argos has an opportunity to spot pricing errors – perhaps flagged-up by a surge in orders for a particular product – and to politely decline orders. Emails went to customers on 31st August explaining why the company "had to reject all orders placed at the incorrect price" with reference to the relevant sections of its conditions. The email included an apology.
In 1999, Argos.co.uk offered Sony Nicam TVs for £2.99 each, instead of £300. Its subsequent refusal to fulfil orders – albeit supported by its e-commerce process even then – made Argos a whipping boy for bargain hunters who thought that a contract is formed when card details are taken online. In fact the laws on e-commerce give retailers flexibility to decide when a contract is formed.
But others are less savvy than Argos. Robertson says: "Recently we learned of a large site trying to cancel orders for Sony Vaio laptops priced under £2 each. The site had done everything wrong – its conditions were awful – and customers had strong grounds for challenging the refusal to fulfil their orders."
The BBC quotes a solicitor saying that all transactions would be void because "if the deal is too good to be true, it is”. Robertson disagrees. "That is a very flaky defence for any website that has concluded a contract. It has never been tested in court and it is not a legal ground that Argos needs to rely upon."
Robertson concluded: "Retailers must not take comfort from their prices being obviously wrong. It makes much more sense and it's also much easier to get the e-commerce process right."
 
Well in our case we didn't select premier seats. We selected regular seats as normal and it was only when SO's friend told him to double-check the booking that we realised they were premier seats. I don't think a price of almost €400 all told is "too good to be true"?

Also, I can't find anything on the Aer Lingus site reserving the right to cancel bookings as a result of a price error on their part. Maybe it's there and I just can't find it? Anyone help with this?
 
This was a similar type incident as few years ago in the UK.
The key is whether the price was so wrong that the customer should have known it was a genuine error. If they were economy class seats you would have a better argument."

I admit I was amazed at the price when I saw it but if Ryanair can fly me to Paris for €0.01 (as they often offer) then why can't Aer Lingus fly me to New York for €5? I haven't measured the distances but you get my point.

As for seats, well it wasn't until I went into the Manage Booking page that it was made apparent they were Premier Class seats.
 
My understanding of a "mistake" and the the opportunity to rescind a contract as a result of this is only relevant where the other party was aware of the mistake and attempted to benefit from it.

This "technical error" arose on flights to the US during Aer Lingus's heavily promoted 'US Summer Sale' week at a time when free \ cheap flights are the norm.

In my opinion, it would be near impossible for AL to legally cancel the contract claiming mistake given the above. I genuinely believe that those people who managed to secure a booking thought they had genuinely grabbed a bargain. Keep the pressure on AL to honour their contractual obligations.


Do the math:
Technical Error = 100 bookings @ €3,500 loss each = €350,000 Loss

Issue a non-specific email cancelling bookings & half those affected walk away = Loss is reduced to €175,000

Deal with the less well-informed who decide to challenge this and convince half of these with lawyer-speak that AL are entitled to cancel the bookings = Reduce the loss to €87,500

and so on and so on until the loss is reduced to a more palatible amount.

If the T's & C's contained a get-out clause or there was a specific legal point which Aer Lingus were relying on when they cancelled these bookings, you can be sure they would have quoted these chapter and verse in the cancellation email.
 
Exact same problem here guys. I booked flights to America yesterday and they were just so rude to me. They said that i couldnt and would never be able to speak to a manager or anyone in a supervisory capacity, that they wouldnt speak to us. How can they treat us like that? This was after them telling me previously that a maanger would be calling me back. I am disgusted.
 
If the T's & C's contained a get-out clause or there was a specific legal point which Aer Lingus were relying on when they cancelled these bookings, you can be sure they would have quoted these chapter and verse in the cancellation email.

Bingo!
 
I can't help thinking that Aer Lingus are on a massive loser with this one - they need to hire Ryanair's PR chief :)
 
Exact same problem here guys. I booked flights to America yesterday and they were just so rude to me. They said that i couldnt and would never be able to speak to a manager or anyone in a supervisory capacity, that they wouldnt speak to us. How can they treat us like that? This was after them telling me previously that a maanger would be calling me back. I am disgusted.

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closifer don't accept that! If they won't talk to you on the phone, send a letter straight away to Customer Relations and put it in the fax as well.

Here are the details (got them here: http://www.suetheairlines.org/international_air/aer_lingus.htm):
Joan Keating
Aer Lingus Customer Care Unit
Aer Lingus Head Office
Dublin Airport
Dublin
Ireland
Phone: (353) 1886-3705
Fax: (353) 1886-385, (353) 1886-3832
 
I cant beleiive they didnt neven ring...just an automated e-mail. I had accomadation all sorted and time booked off in work. I dunno what to do now
 
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closifer don't accept that! If they won't talk to you on the phone, send a letter straight away to Customer Relations and put it in the fax as well.

Here are the details (got them here: http://www.suetheairlines.org/international_air/aer_lingus.htm):
Joan Keating
Aer Lingus Customer Care Unit
Aer Lingus Head Office
Dublin Airport
Dublin
Ireland
Phone: (353) 1886-3705
Fax: (353) 1886-385, (353) 1886-3832

Done and Done. I was told that EI only accept complaints in writing.

Emailed Gerry Ryan on it too.
 
Conor Pope reckons they are within their rights as 'the consumer legislation' says no-one can benefit from a genuine human error?

Just searched the Irish Statute book and can't find the word 'human' in any of the consumer legislation. Anyone help me out?
 
I know that Aer Lingus have honored pricing mistakes in the past. But in general, (and not just airlines) most websites do not honor pricing mistakes. This comes up time and time again on bargain sites. So I don't see why people are surprised at this. According to the Aer Lingus guy on the radio the pricing error was only active for 2 hours and only 100 people grabbed it.
 
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