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Old 19-12-2009, 12:43 PM
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Default Where did the term "Ginger" come from when referring to people with red/ foxy hair?

Where did the term "Ginger" come from when referring to people with red/ foxy hair?

To me "Ginger" is a sort of cross between yellow and brown. I think this is usgage has crept in from England where it is largely an offensive pejorative term of abuse.

It doesnt properly describe the colour of hair prevalent in Ireland which is closer to Orange.

The terms "red head" and "foxy" while capable of being used in an offensive manner are at least accurate in terms of colour.
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Old 19-12-2009, 01:17 PM
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It seems to have both racist (in connection with Irish / Scotch people) and homophobic (rhyming slang "ginger beer") connotations and has crept in here via two generations educated exclusively via internet chav culture, Heat magazine, tabloid newspapers and satellite TV soaps.

Mind you it wasn't always a pejorative term, I seem to remember that Battler Britain, WWII Spitfire pilot and air-ace, had a wing-man called Ginger in the Hotspur!
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Old 19-12-2009, 01:28 PM
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personally i don't understand the oversensitivity of the ginger... aehm, red-haired people ...
people grow up, what's your problem? i'm blond and there are some many jokes about blonde women - even i'm telling them, have absolutely no problem with it ... this PC culture is slowly damaging our brains, I find ...

Last edited by haminka1; 20-12-2009 at 08:00 AM. Reason: spelling ... P.S. mathepac is a nitpicker :P
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Old 19-12-2009, 01:44 PM
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... many jokes about blond women ...
I'm sure there are, but I prefer the jokes about blonde women.
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Old 19-12-2009, 01:44 PM
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Black people aren't black either.
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Old 19-12-2009, 02:28 PM
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i don't understand the oversensitivity of the ginger... aehm, red-haired people ...
people grow up, what's your problem? i'm blond and there are some many jokes about blond women - even i'm telling them, have absolutely no problem with it ... this PC culture is slowly damaging our brains, I find ...
Hi Ham,

This thread is about the term "Ginger". To my mind ginger describes a yellow/brown mix. I think the traditional irish "foxy" is a bettter description of the orange colour hair that many Irish people have.

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Old 19-12-2009, 04:16 PM
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I was always called 'carrot' in school..
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Old 19-12-2009, 05:07 PM
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Yes "carrot" describes the hair colouring better than "ginger". Perhaps those cheap english tv shows are referring to people with yellow/brown hair colouring?
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Old 19-12-2009, 05:12 PM
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carrots have green hair.
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Old 20-12-2009, 07:58 AM
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I'm sure there are, but I prefer the jokes about blonde women.
hey mathepac, thanx for correction, the spelling slips from time to time when english's not your mother tongue
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Old 20-12-2009, 08:08 AM
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Hi Ham,

This thread is about the term "Ginger". To my mind ginger describes a yellow/brown mix. I think the traditional irish "foxy" is a bettter description of the orange colour hair that many Irish people have.

aj
might originate in the colour of it's skin? that one is closer to the reddish or orange hair-colour ...
you could always use the word "carrot" as well personally i find the word ginger rather nice /just like the colour/ ...
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Old 20-12-2009, 10:31 AM
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Some very lucky Irish people have natural "Titian red" and the natural "Strawberry Blonde".

I don't think "foxy" or "carrot" would cover these colours.

I thought it might have originated from Ginger Rogers but her name, Virginia, was mispronounced by a child when she was young - so google informs me!

One of the sisters in Shawshank Redemtion, Mark Rolston has what I would call ginger hair.

I have seen some Bajan/Barbadian children with ginger-coloured hair.

Marion
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Old 20-12-2009, 10:41 AM
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I don't like the term; I find it too English and quite derogatory.
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Old 20-12-2009, 01:41 PM
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I don't likr the term; I find it too English and quite derogatory.
How can something be 'too English' ?
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Old 21-12-2009, 12:25 AM
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How can something be 'too English' ?
Same way they can be too American; the phrase is out of place in everyday Irish english.
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Old 21-12-2009, 07:37 AM
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I don't like the term; I find it too English and quite derogatory.
surely the term "too English" sounds rather ironic coming from a member of a nation which kept the language of their colonists /while slagging them at each opportunity/ due to pragmatic reasons why letting their original mother tongue die out as redundant and old-fashioned?
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Old 21-12-2009, 10:15 AM
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surely the term "too English" sounds rather ironic coming from a member of a nation which kept the language of their colonists /while slagging them at each opportunity/ due to pragmatic reasons why letting their original mother tongue die out as redundant and old-fashioned?
No really.

There are loads of former colonies where the mother tongue/ tongues/ dialects have died out and the language of the colonising power has become the everyday language.

My family are of Norman extraction from Wexford. It is a certainty that they didnít speak Irish in the last few hundred years and may never have done so. The idea that we as a nation had one language for thousands of years and only lost it recently is utterly false.
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Old 21-12-2009, 10:26 AM
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No really.

There are loads of former colonies where the mother tongue/ tongues/ dialects have died out and the language of the colonising power has become the everyday language.

My family are of Norman extraction from Wexford. It is a certainty that they didnít speak Irish in the last few hundred years and may never have done so. The idea that we as a nation had one language for thousands of years and only lost it recently is utterly false.
hm ... well, Norman extraction is something different but vast majority claim to have Gaelic origin and honestly, that's something that really strikes me as rather strange
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Old 21-12-2009, 10:43 AM
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??? Isnt the answer obvious? Because refined ginger is orange/brown and so is the hair?
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Old 21-12-2009, 10:44 AM
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hm ... well, Norman extraction is something different but vast majority claim to have Gaelic origin and honestly, that's something that really strikes me as rather strange
Claim being the operative word.

I would hazard a guess that for many people, boasting about their Irish 'authenticity' is a bit of wishfull thinking.

E.g. Arguably, Ken Magennis (Ulster unionist) could be said to be 'more Irish' than Gerry Adams.
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