Thanks for the replys. managed to source a couple of brands. Neff = 750 sterling, brittania = 350 sterling. bit steep. Plus with the other problems highlighted above, I'll be sticking with the regular one i think. Would get a lot of morphy richards DFF's for 750. Thanksneff do one,model number is n1362.my mother in law has one in her island,its over 25 years old and still going strong.there is an extractor over it but extraction can still be a problem(like all dff,built in or not).it is situated near the back door side of the island which is a half door so this helps.