Penalty points Alan Shatter and Mick Wallace

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Why would the Minister for Justice know of a specific car incident involving Mick Wallace. And remember it. Does he know of all traffic incidents involving all citizens, or of all politicians, or of all opposition politicians, or of all opposition politicians that one is going to debate on the national airwaves.

Is this not an abuse of power. And beneth the office of Minister for Justice.

And while I'm at it. I'm delighted to hear that there is complete honesty and transparenty is the 'disappearance/loss' of penalty points in the Garda Pulse system. Great to know how excellent and uncorrupt the boys in blue are. They are only brillant at investigating - themselves. Wonderful stuff.
 
its very sinister how he knew alright, and very stupid to bring it up on a live tv show.
thats if its true, if not it makes it even worse on the ministers part!
 
Perhaps a Guard who knew of the incident fed up with the hypocrisy of the 'socialist' Inpdendent TD's went straight to Shatter and told him
We don't know how he found out
 
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Perhaps a Guard who knew of the incident fed up with the hypocrisy of the 'socialist' Inpdendent TD's went straight to Shatter and told him
We don't know how he found out
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Well that doesn't make sense to me. Do individual gardai go directly to the Minister for Justice, no way. But if it wasn't even an official case, as in Wallace was just given a warning on the spot it wouldn't even go in the Gardai notebook, never mind the offical book/system. So how does this actual events of sucha trivial nature, and all event, relation to politicians, end up on the Minister for Justice's desk. And does he read all of them.

It's a resigning matter as far as I'm concerned and the Dept of Justice have a lot more questions to answer.

Do Ministers keep a catelogue of misdemeanors of opposition politicians? I'm very surprised at Shatter. Justice must be seen to be done etc and he should know more than most.
 
Whats this thread about? I feel like Ive missed the first ten minutes of an episode of Law & Order: Eire !
 
Sorry, got a phone call from Ireland from a relation who said there was a programe with Alan Shatter and Mick Wallace and that Shatter was able to on air, highlight the fact that Wallace was let off scott fee on something to do with driving while on the phone. But it was a case of the gardai just giving Wallace a warning, and not a case of him being put on the pulse and having it wiped.

The point I'm making is how come Shatter a) knew this story b) brought up such a matter in public c) who told him d) why e) for whose benefit f) shouldn't Shatter know better g) shouldn't the Min for Justice of all people and who is a legally trained individual know a LOT better h) is it not an abuse of the office etc etc. This is serious stuff
 
OK but if we dont link to some kind of primary source the discussion will just run into the sand.
 
I'd say that this episode will demonstrate once and for all that the government we have is business as usual , ie just like all the rest, he wont resign, he wont be sacked and he will top the pole at the next election.

But one day we can only hope that eventually people will come to their senses and realise that governments in ireland are there for one reason and its not for the people.
 
I wouldn't be a natural Government supporter but do like to Shatter in his battles - soem are misguided, but on the whole we see him working.

Re this kerfuffle; the role of the Independents is a sorry affair. Wallace and Ming taking umbrage on behalf of people when they've benefited from this corruption themselves. Ming even writing to the Minister asking for an investigation into how his own points were written off - and then refusing to be interviewed when this investigation starts up! You couldn't make it up!

As for Wallace. Does he have any credibility left ? I do dislike Shatter doing what he did here - but if he is correct, then Wallace deserves to be hounded out by Wexford people at the next GE.
 
shatter should be made resigh for this, he is a disgrace to the office he holds.......but will that happen?.......in england yes, here no chance!
 
Isn't this just a follow up of the Penalty points investigation shambles. Garda investigating Garda.

Rumbles on and on trading insults until the next crisis takes over our front pages
 
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If it is true, then I think the Minister was right to bring it up.
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I agree with there being a justification with regards to demonstrating hypocrisy, but I don't think it does. I see the issue raised by Wallace et al and the specific issue raised by Shatter as being completely different. However, that's not really the question people have. What people want to know is how did Shatter find out.
Unlike the specifics of what Wallace had been talking about; alleging TDs actually receiving a fixed penalty notice and then through connections getting it quashed, the circumstances Shatter was talking about hadn't even gone that far. He claims Wallace was stopped, but then let off without any action being taken, so it never even entered any official record. Wallace didn't write to anyone to get points quashed, he was stopped and the garda decided there and then to not take any action.
So with what Wallace is alleging, there is a paper trail, with what Shatter is alleging, there’s nothing. Someone has obvious reported a story up the chain of command to him maliciously. So how did the Minister for Justice come by the information and why did he think it ok to present the information on television?
I'll be honest, that's happened to me a couple of times, not for any major offence, but the garda gave me a bit of a lecture and let me go on my way. I'm not a TD, I have no influence, it's just a garda using his discretion.
 
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If it is true, then I think the Minister was right to bring it up.
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On mature recollection it is! For me it's utterly bizarre that Shatter would have this information and even more bizarre that he would bring it up on Prime Time given the obvious questions that would ensue.
 
Maybe it was the Tuscan air over the weekend that helped Mick recall the incident... he spent the weekend at his, sorry I mean his brother's, vineyard!!!

Shatter was stupid (arrogant as usual) to bring it up. And now FG are trying to spin it as a matter of public interest as Wallace is part of the whole Penalty Points-gate.
Wallace is screaming about a 'corrupt' system that he himself has benefited from but forgot to mention that at the outset!

Shatter probably found out through the chain of command when the whole points thing broke and the word got out within the force 'there that Wallace fella calling us corrupt, and sure did'nt X and Y stop him only 3 weeks ago and let him off with a verbal warning for using his phone'. It spread up the ranks from there and maybe some advisor/civil servant got word of it and passed it on.

So all are now trying to score political points and I have zero sympathy for any of them. They're all an embarrassment
 
When did J. Edger Hoover join FG?

I think this is very serious both for Shatter and Enda Kenny.

How can Enda Kenny stand behind this guy?

The Labour Party are not relevant anymore.

Labour are glorified lap dogs.

If Labour were in opposition - they'd be shouting from the roof tops.

Where is Joan Burton?
 
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