How so? As you suggesting that straight couples will trump and gay couples such that gay couples will only be able to adopt where one is either a parent or a relative of the child?
How so? As you suggesting that straight couples will trump and gay couples such that gay couples will only be able to adopt where one is either a parent or a relative of the child?The idea that there will be a competition between a straight couple and a gay couple is not realistic.
No, I'm saying that it doesn't arise. There aren't lots of kids in orphanages in Ireland, despite what American TV producers may think.How so? As you suggesting that straight couples will trump and gay couples such that gay couples will only be able to adopt where one is either a parent or a relative of the child?
Fairly sure the Civil Partnership legislation puts civil partners on a equal footing with spouses so I think no impact on the issues you mention.What is the impact of a yes vote on pensions? And in particular DB spouses and children's schemes?
What is the impact of a yes vote on inheritance rights? And in particular land owner / farmers in rural Ireland?
Which well-known homosexuals?
What is your opinion on Gay adoption, you're querying others stating they are in favour of it without detailing why you're against it.
How many adoptions are there in this country every year compared to the numbers seeking adoption? I don't think there's a huge surplus of those seeking kids over those seeking to be adopted, so the Sophie's Choice you're positing is unlikely to come to pass. It's just trying to muddy the waters. I wouldn't have a problem with the people who currently decide on adoptions continuing that role when the pool of potential parents is expanded by this legislative change.
Also Firefly there's no need for a referendum on "gay" adoption, it's not in the constitution.
The idea that there will be a competition between a straight couple and a gay couple is not realistic.
Yes, so given that more people are looking to adopt than there are children to adopt how does that mean that competition between a straight couple and a gay couple is not realistic or will not arise?I'm saying that it doesn't arise. There aren't lots of kids in orphanages in Ireland, despite what American TV producers may think.
It's certainly possible but not likely. Laws shouldn't be make on the basis of hard cases.Everyone is for equality. But nothing in you post bolsters your assertion that competition is not a realistic prospect.
But so what if competition is a realistic prospect?, how does that have any bearing on the right to marry or, if the issues must be linked, to right to adopt? Sure there is already intense over-demand, the adoption service has to deal with that, ok there may be more seeking to adopt, but I'm sure the poor dears can cope.Everyone is for equality. But nothing in you post bolsters your assertion that competition is not a realistic prospect.
There is no right to adopt. The amendment will mean that the state or it's agencies cannot differentiate between same-sex and straight married couples. The knock on effect of this is that the adoption agency will not be able to favour placing a child in a mother/father situation. I have zero interest in anyone’s sexual orientation. My view is that we already have equality in that the gendered institution of marriage and civil partnerships are equivalent. The referendum is long odds on to pass (1/12) in any event.But so what if competition is a realistic prospect?, how does that have any bearing on the right to marry or, if the issues must be linked, to right to adopt?
That's a very misleading take on it. Maybe the adoption agent won't be able to favour placing the child in a mother/father situation on basis of the gender of the parents, but there are plenty of other reasons why the adoption agency might deem the mother/father option to be the favoured place for a child. As Betsy Og said, when it comes to adoption decisions I'm sure the adoption agency are best placed to make this decision and nothing in this marriage referendum would impact on their ability to make this decision as far as I'm concerned.The knock on effect of this is that the adoption agency will not be able to favour placing a child in a mother/father situation.
If they act in the best interest of the child then there is no discrimination.You say my statement is very misleading but then seem to agree with it. I have no doubt that the adoption agency people know what they are doing but we will be trying one hand behind their back in certain cases . . they will be concerned to avoid any claims of discrimination.
And no inequality. I hope that they can continue to act in the best interest of each child unencumbered by the passing of this referendum, despite my concerns that the provision isn't as benign as is being suggested and that it will have unintended(?) consequences.If they act in the best interest of the child then there is no discrimination.
Some of my wifes long term male and female friends are gay.I became friends with them and they are some of the most sincere,honest and nicest people on this planet.
I suspect that the politicians don't actually believe what they are saying but want to avoid complacency on the Yes side so that the Yes campaigners and ultimately Yes voters turn out. I suspect that a a higher percentage of No voters will vote and that they are less likely to voice their opinion for fear of being wrongly labelled as homophobic.Can anybody say why it will not be defeated come May? Or is the whole matter a foregone conclusion?