Healy-Rae's Budget backing attacked

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The Labour Party called for Independent TD Jackie Healy-Rae to resign as chairman of the Oireachtas Social and Family Affairs Committee.

The South Kerry TD said he would support the Budget 24 hours before the Government announced 16 euro cuts to child benefit and 4.1% reductions on social welfare.

Labour's Roisin Shortall said the Independent has no business at the head of a committee examining welfare.

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It's all a bit silly.
 
Is she serious ? Does she not realise that everybody has to shoulder the burden here !! She is really clutching at straws over €4 a week, public servants are loosing alot more.
 
What gets me is that people actually vote for J Healy-Rae, Lowry, etc.

Very tribal, inward-looking people.

He is very unlike a statesman.
 
Sean Sherlock is the only person with leadership in the Labour party.

All the others are pandering to the public sector unions.
 
The price Jacki Healy-Rae demanded for his support for the government was a hospital in Kenmare, he claims. My guess is his price was a drop in the price of drink. He is first and foremost a publician whose main interest is his bank balance. The great mystery is why anyone in their right mind would vote for him, they can't all be his customers so what on earth is their reason for voting for him?
 
johnd said:
The price Jacki Healy-Rae demanded for his support for the government was a hospital in Kenmare, he claims. My guess is his price was a drop in the price of drink. He is first and foremost a publician whose main interest is his bank balance. The great mystery is why anyone in their right mind would vote for him, they can't all be his customers so what on earth is their reason for voting for him?
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I would love to have someone with as much political cunning as him to vote for in my constituency. He is the right man at the right time. Not only is he doing the right thing on a macro level in voting for the budget, but he is also managing to get some concessions for his constituents.

Who the hell in their right minds would vote for Roisin Shorthall? The idea that just because Jackie votes in a necessary budget he has no right to be on a committee just makes zero sense to me.
 
DerKaisor [I would love to have someone with as much political cunning as him to vote for in my constituency. He is the right man at the right time. Not only is he doing the right thing on a macro level in voting for the budget, but he is also managing to get some concessions for his constituents.

Who the hell in their right minds would vote for Roisin Shorthall? The idea that just because Jackie votes in a necessary budget he has no right to be on a committee just makes zero sense to me.[/quote]

That parochial attitude is what is wrong with this country. The 'I couldn't care less as long as I'm all right Jack' has us where we are. If J. Healy-Rae's gets his demands do you really think this will not impact on other people outside his area? He doesn't care about anyone or anything outside his own area so why would be want to be on a committee dealing with welfare or family affairs? According to an interview I heard with him the majority of his constutuents are elderly bachelor farmers living up mountain roads who only come down for their pension and a few pints in his pub. The committee he would shine on would be rural affairs.
 
As far as I remember, Bertie tried to shaft J Healy-Rae. Then the people spoke and democracy took over. So what is he expected to do? Make a deal with the government to build a hospital in Mayo or Wicklow. He represents the people of South Kerry and they expect him to deliver certain strategies.
 
Tinker Bell]As far as I remember, Bertie tried to shaft J Healy-Rae. Then the people spoke and democracy took over. So what is he expected to do? Make a deal with the government to build a hospital in Mayo or Wicklow. He represents the people of South Kerry and they expect him to deliver certain strategies.[/quote]

That's that point I'm making - its all local - 'to hell with anyone or anywhere else - as long as I'm getting elected and making money to hell with anyone else or the rest of the population. I want a hospital for my people? get me one. Close down one somewhere else if you have to but give me what I want'. That is why we are in the mess now and that's the big problem with this country - its all about me me me
 
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What gets me is that people actually vote for J Healy-Rae, Lowry, etc.

Very tribal, inward-looking people.

He is very unlike a statesman.
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Not a statesman !
Jackie when he was a FF Councillor in hte 80's used to come to Dublin annually for the Ard Fheis and spend the weekend on the couch of our rented house in Ranelagh , one of my housemate's father was in the same cumann in Kerry , he also stayed with us but on the floor - presumably in deference to Jackie's greater political stature !
Jackie however demonstrated his statesmanship by bringing myself and the rest of the guys to The Hill pub and getting us absolutely locked and we never had to put our hands in our pockets , presumaby saved from his expenses !
 
DerKaiser said:
Who the hell in their right minds would vote for Roisin Shorthall? The idea that just because Jackie votes in a necessary budget he has no right to be on a committee just makes zero sense to me.
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Maybe people who believe in fairness and equity instead of cute hoorism as the basis for running our nation?
 
Jackie Healy Rae is no different than Tony Gregory.....he is representing his own constituency and when he found himself holding the balance of power was able to negotiate a better deal for his constituents.Ministers are very popular in their constituencies for directing more than their fair share of the public purse to projects in their constituencies.....the only difference is they don`t have to make a deal and periodically have to threaten the gov. with withdrawing their support.The ministers hold the levers of power and because of their largesse regularly get elected with huge amount of votes
 
Sunrock Jackie Healy-Rae is no Tony Gregory. Tony Gregory was not a wealthy man and he did not enter politics to make himself rich or powerful. He was an idealist, I didn't share all his opinions, he wanted to improve the lives of his constituents. The area of Dublin he worked for was one of the most deprived in Ireland and until he stood for election they had no voice. His famous deal for for homes and jobs for the local community, whether they voted for him or not they benefited. to suggest the two men have similar motives is false. I agree with you that ministers are also involved in the buying of votes just like Jackie.
 
johnd, wouldn't a local hospital be exactly what those elderly bachelor farmers, cycling into town for their pensions and a few pints once a week, would want ?

They are entitled to be represented as well.

Anyway, I thought that that hospital was promised ages ago, but nothing was happening, so he used the budget to speed it up?
 
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johnd, wouldn't a local hospital be exactly what those elderly bachelor farmers, cycling into town for their pensions and a few pints once a week, would want ?

They are entitled to be represented as well.

Anyway, I thought that that hospital was promised ages ago, but nothing was happening, so he used the budget to speed it up?
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That was 30 years ago. Now they are driving into town in their 4 by 4s and getting their money ,farm payments etc paid into their bank accounts.
What is exercising the healy raes now is the drink driving laws which are stopping these people driving after a few pints.No doubt but JHR has improved the lot of his constituents because of his bargaining power.
Tony Gregory represented a very deprived constituency and it is hard to blame him for exercising his kingmaker power to improve housing etc in his area. The problem is that constituencies without political muscle get very little funds and then the electorate elect independants who sometimes get lucky.
 
If it wasn't for Jackie voting the budget through we'd be in the same state Greece is in now. You can say what you want about his motives, but he's showed more intelligence in doing the right thing for the country as well as his constituents than the city slickers and bleeding heart left will ever give hime credit for.

And yes I do believe there's a time for cute hoorism. Say what you like about the man, but CJHs administration saved this country from the last crisis. The fairest and most equitable thing you can do for the most vulnerable is try keep the coutry solvent.

There's also a place for standing up for maintaining living standards at a certain level and debating what's fair, but in the general scheme of things we do have decent hospitals and a decent welfare system. If the country goes bankrupt the wealthy won't starve, it will be the sick and those on welfare who will be hit worst.
 
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