Pub Sector get 12 days unpaid leave, where are the following years cuts to come from?

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csirl said:
A 10% cut in the workforce would be better. Should be targeted at areas where there are cuts in programmes thus meaning the people working on them have no work to do. Should also be targeted at those areas who have lost the run of themselves in recent years and need reform.
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This wouldn't really work in the Civil Service because people are generalists and tend to be moved around every few years to different areas. Therefore it would be a bit like musical chairs - wherever you happened to be sitting when the cut was made would decide whether you stay or go.
 
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Done and dusted by the looks of it.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/1204/partnership.html

It is understood the main elements of the emerging agreement include:

  • Agreement on changes, work practices, productivity in Health, Education, Local Authorities and The Civil Service (including non-commercial State Bodies).

    These changes would involve 8-8 shift rosters, staff mobility and flexible work practices.
  • Savings - according to a number of union sources the savings package is of the order of €1bn and this includes an effective pay cut of 12 days next year for public sector workers.

    The balance of the savings, €300m, would be achieved by the Government implementing the report of the Review Body on Higher Remuneration, the accrued savings from the implementation of the embargo on recruitment, and the reduction in numbers as a result of the incentivised leave scheme.
  • Unpaid leave - it is understood a separate document dealing with the issue of unpaid leave is being finalised.

    This will focus on how the 12 days unpaid leave would be implemented without impacting on the delivery of public services.
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I think you'd have to wait till next week (or even January) to see the finer details and comment on the pros and cons. My first reaction was that it coulda been worse, but then I chastised myself for being so easily manipulated.
 
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Howitzer said:
Done and dusted by the looks of it.
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Oh no it is not. This thread is on where Next 4 Years saving from the Public Sector are going to come from!
 
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Towger said:
Oh no it is not. This thread is on where Next 4 Years saving from the Public Sector are going to come from!
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These threads have context?
 
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According to this report people over earner over 50K will have a higher cut in their salaries. Does that mean they are taking more unpaid leave?

"According to estimates. The unpaid leave deal would entail public service staff earning €50,000 having 4.6 per cent of their income deducted next year. For workers earning more than this amount the cut would be equivalent of up to 7 per cent of income."
 
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Does all this mean that the health agreement reached this morning still stands? Or was that conditional?
 
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VOR said:
Does all this mean that the health agreement reached this morning still stands? Or was that conditional?
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Would think so. I have signed up to working my week over a 8am - 8pm roster already. I have yet to be asked to change mind.

Cosultants signed up it in the new contract.

Nurses work a 24 hour roster already.

So there was nothing transfroming imo.
 
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'ICTU General Secretary David Begg said in a statement: 'That this decision was taken following a hostile campaign of opposition to the proposals before they could be either finalised or explained is inexplicable.'

A bit rich from D Begg considering the strikes last week before the negotiations began
 
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While I'm thoroughly bored with the issue, I think today's developments are good in the long run, hopefully it means the government is at last going to grasp the nettle. There's no room for bs anymore, give us teachers, nurses and guards on the front line and take a knife, nay hatchet, to the layers and layers of management who dont seem to be able to deliver services or keep to budgets.

There'll be little sympathy for strikes, and I think the mood of "the ordinary people of Ireland" will filter through in the end

[I'll admit up front that I'm totally anti-union, think its day is done, now a joke shop]
 
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betsy og said:
while i'm thoroughly bored with the issue, i think today's developments are good in the long run, hopefully it means the government is at last going to grasp the nettle. There's no room for bs anymore, give us teachers, nurses and guards on the front line and take a knife, nay hatchet, to the layers and layers of management who dont seem to be able to deliver services or keep to budgets.

There'll be little sympathy for strikes, and i think the mood of "the ordinary people of ireland" will filter through in the end

[i'll admit up front that i'm totally anti-union, think its day is done, now a joke shop]
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so I'm reckoning there will be more strikes. What will happen to me if I want to work on a strike day? Having already taken one unpaid day I don't intend on taking any more!
 
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Now with talks broken down - I am going to apply for the shorter working year on Monday.

I'll try & do a short training course with FAS or something.

I don't agree with strikes & I pulled out of the union recently.

I will try and take 6 weeks unpaid & I have a few weeks holiday.

I am fed up with work colleagues persistany thinking they are victims and hard done by.

Many have a big sense of entitlement.
 
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sandrat said:
so I'm reckoning there will be more strikes. What will happen to me if I want to work on a strike day? Having already taken one unpaid day I don't intend on taking any more!
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Pass the picket.
 
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cork said:
Now with talks broken down - I am going to apply for the shorter working year on Monday.

I'll try & do a short training course with FAS or something.

I don't agree with strikes & I pulled out of the union recently.

I will try and take 6 weeks unpaid & I have a few weeks holiday.

I am fed up with work colleagues persistany thinking they are victims and hard done by.

Many have a big sense of entitlement.
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Well the fact that you can afford to take all that unpaid leave would indicate that you're in a better financial position than a lot of your colleagues. I know I would risk having my home reposessed if I went on a shorter working year. Fair play to you and good luck, but don't assume all PS workers are in the same situation.
 
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Betsy Og said:
While I'm thoroughly bored with the issue, I think today's developments are good in the long run, hopefully it means the government is at last going to grasp the nettle. There's no room for bs anymore, give us teachers, nurses and guards on the front line and take a knife, nay hatchet, to the layers and layers of management who dont seem to be able to deliver services or keep to budgets.

There'll be little sympathy for strikes, and I think the mood of "the ordinary people of Ireland" will filter through in the end

[I'll admit up front that I'm totally anti-union, think its day is done, now a joke shop]
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i fully agree.....it was good to see cowen faceing down the unions ,maybe he is finally growing a pair .....lets hope next wednsday he hits the PS where it really hurts....in their more than ample wagepackets!
 
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starlite68 said:
lets hope next wednsday he hits the PS where it really hurts....in their more than ample wagepackets!
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I really don't get why anyone would take pleasure in across the board pay cuts in the public sector. I think they are 100% necessary, but because the state can't afford to pay them, not because all public sector employees somehow need to be punished. The sanctimonious self-gratification from some public sector employees over the last few years has been very hard to take but many of them accept that they have benefited greatly from the boom and their current levels of pay are not sustainable. That doesn't make it any easier to take a pay cut and it doesn't soften the blow that such a pay cut will have on much of the rest of the economy.

We need to lower costs. In order to do that we need to lower pay in the private and public sectors, we need to lower the minimum wage, we need to cut social welfare. All of the above will have a high human cost for many people. It’s absolutely necessary but it’s nothing to take pleasure in.
 
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liaconn said:
you're in a better financial position than a lot of your colleagues.
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I don't have a house, mortgage. loans or car. I surpose that makes me the exception.

I will now wait till well after Christmas before making any decisions.
 
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liaconn said:
Well the fact that you can afford to take all that unpaid leave would indicate that you're in a better financial position than a lot of your colleagues. I know I would risk having my home reposessed if I went on a shorter working year. Fair play to you and good luck, but don't assume all PS workers are in the same situation.
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What you get paid for the work you do should have nothing to do with your financial obligations, if an employer is paying his workforce more than he can afford it's not his responsibility that his employees spend more than they can afford when it comes to cutting back.

Moaning that you can't afford the mortgage is not justification for higher wages, demonstrating that you are worth what you are paid is more relevant
 
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